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Title: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: 1973 on May 19, 2012, 11:28:21 AM
Sunderland supporter here.

I was just wondering how you lads rate Cuellar?  At 30 you'd think he'd still have a few Premier League years in him at least, so why hasn't he been offered a new contract - is he past his best?

I'm only asking because I think O'Neill might be interested in bringing him to Sunderland, having previously managed him.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Clampy on May 19, 2012, 11:34:59 AM
For a free transfer you'd be getting a decent defender but O'Neil tends to play his players out of position so expect him at right back which would be a waste. I reckon he'll go back to Spain anyway.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Ian. on May 19, 2012, 11:35:21 AM
I'm not sure MON rated him that highly though. He was another signing of his where he spent quite a lot of money, 8 million If I remember and then when he did play him it was generally out of position.

He is a solid pro and a good defender.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on May 19, 2012, 11:35:48 AM
I feel a bit sorry for Cuellar, he's never really had a decent run of games playing in his best position of central defence. He isn't one of those defenders that makes many mistakes (like Richard Dunne for example) but there are times when you think 'he could have done better'.

He's a good, solid pro, good rapport with the fans and a thoroughly decent bloke. He was paid far too much for his ability which is probably the reason his contract was allowed to expire.

I could see O'Neill coming in for him if Carlos doesn't fancy going back to Spain.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 19, 2012, 11:40:31 AM
£80k per week on a 4 year contract should just about do it. Then play him out of position or not all.
I bet you Sunderland fans love MON right now.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: darren woolley on May 19, 2012, 11:42:13 AM
Got a lot of time for Carlos It's just a shame MON never used him in his best position.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: 1973 on May 19, 2012, 11:51:44 AM
Maybe he was played out of position because you've had some pretty decent central defensive pairings during his time at Villa? Lauersen and Davies/Dunne and Collins.

We don't have that luxury at the minute and a centre half spot is definitely up for grabs alongside O'Shea, who similarly is a good CB and a not so good RB.

Cheers for the answers so far.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: supertom on May 19, 2012, 11:53:43 AM
Good player. Reliable. Decent bloke and the sort of player you'd like to do well. I think we bished not keeping him on, whilst we're stuck with Dunne and Collins, both of whom have caused problems and had consistency and/or fitness issues. I'd take Carlos over any of our backline, any day of the week. He reads the game well. He needs someone solid next to him, who can organise, and has a bit of pace. I think he'd do well with Wes to be honest.

On a freebie though, you can't really go wrong. But like others have said, expect him to be played out of position or not much. Perhaps he's too nice for his own good and doesn't make enough fuss about being on the bench.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Pete3206 on May 19, 2012, 11:53:44 AM
Good player who never lets you down.


Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 19, 2012, 11:54:56 AM
Im suprised 1973 you havent posted about Heskey ?  ;)
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: 1973 on May 19, 2012, 11:58:45 AM
Shhhhhhh  ;D

I know all I need to know about Emile Ivanhoe Heskey.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 19, 2012, 12:02:14 PM
Seems like somebody has tapped Grant Holt up, do you reckon he'd be a good fit at Sunderland? I know you need a goalscorer. Also, do you reckon you might make a big for Agbonlahor?

Enjoyed the piss-taking out of Manure by the way, well done!
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: TaxDodger on May 19, 2012, 12:02:55 PM
I really like Cuellar. His distribution is awful, but he more than makes up for it with his all round defensive ability. I think he's our best defender, but he's spent a lot of time on the bench picking up large wages so I'm not suprised he's on his way. I'm not sure he'd want to link up with O'Neill again, as others have said, he spent three years playing him out of position. He'll probably go back to Spain.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 19, 2012, 12:04:23 PM
I thought he was more-or-less nailed on to go to Valencia?

I think Hutton would be the best solution to Sunderland's defensive problems. Yours for £15 million plus McLean, can't say fairer then that.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: cheltenhamlion on May 19, 2012, 12:07:56 PM
Not so sure Carlos would want to play for MON again to be honest. He was misused by him here.

Anyhow, give Ivanhoe my best when he signs on the dotted line...
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: 1973 on May 19, 2012, 12:08:18 PM
Seems like somebody has tapped Grant Holt up, do you reckon he'd be a good fit at Sunderland? I know you need a goalscorer. Also, do you reckon you might make a big for Agbonlahor?

Enjoyed the piss-taking out of Manure by the way, well done!

O'Neill likes a physical presence up top, so there might be something in the Holt rumours. As for Agbonlahor, I think we might make a bid, he played some great football under O'Neill. Whether Villa would entertain a bid, or whether he'd come to Sunderland is another question.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Tony on May 19, 2012, 12:22:16 PM
Decent defender with the right partner, can look extremely camp at times, which is odd for a solid defender!
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Chipsticks on May 19, 2012, 12:36:29 PM
This thread makes me sad. It's like somebody's eyeing up your girlfriend when you know she's about to leave you :(
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 19, 2012, 12:37:56 PM
Carlos is your girlfriend?
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 19, 2012, 12:38:53 PM
He's okay. Nothing spectacular and got better with every game he didn't play. He didn't exactly seem in a mad rush to leave to 'enhance his first team chances' which meant he was either ultra-professional or happy to sit on the bench, whichever way you look at it. Supposedly signing for Valencia and now linked with Sunderland says a lot as well.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Rigadon on May 19, 2012, 12:40:37 PM
Nice bloke, good reserve centre half. 
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 19, 2012, 12:42:02 PM
Better than Dunne? Yes. Better than Collins? Yes. Should have stayed, but I guess he is easier to get rid of as he is out of contract.

I hope our centre-half pairing next year is Clark + new signing. Preferably, a big Scandinavian.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: London Villan on May 19, 2012, 12:44:57 PM
Honest pro, reliable, can't pass, should have been in our team ahead of Dunne or Collins.

Do wonder why MON, KMc, GH, GMc and TSM never had him as first choice though.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: richard moore on May 19, 2012, 12:45:15 PM
Nice bloke, very average player. As Dave said, got better and better every time he didn't play.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Chipsticks on May 19, 2012, 12:45:21 PM
Carlos is your girlfriend?

He's got better teeth than my last girlfriend.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 19, 2012, 01:18:32 PM
Carlos is your girlfriend?

He's got better teeth than my last girlfriend.

Well if you will keep eating Chipsticks all the time...
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: myf on May 19, 2012, 02:00:54 PM
Good player who never lets you down.




eh. let us down on lots of occasions. bolton being the most recent one
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: oldham_villa on May 19, 2012, 02:06:43 PM
I liked Carlos and his work ethic, however as a centre half he played people onside and wasn't outstanding in the air. Teams sussed Villa out and got us to switch play every time to the right fullback, where Carlos was not comfortable. Needless to say, our play would grind to a halt.

Average at best imo.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 19, 2012, 02:25:37 PM
I see you have released Craig Gordon. It wouldn't surprise me if O'Neill has Carlos lined up as his replacement.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: eastie on May 19, 2012, 02:49:08 PM
Excellent signing on a free and very capable central defender- he would be an asset for sunderland.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: TheSandman on May 19, 2012, 03:37:42 PM
Solid player, better than Dunne or Collins and I'd prefer to have him than them but he's out of contract and they aren't. A lot of people here really rate him as Dunne and Collins have been so poor/disruptive the last two seasons whereas Carlos is generally solid and comes across as a decent bloke who had a decent relationship with the fans. I'd say he's not as good as some folk would make out nor as bad as others would say. I liked him but accepted he had his limitations. For example, for a Spaniard his passing is horrible.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: eastie on May 19, 2012, 03:42:45 PM
Seems like somebody has tapped Grant Holt up, do you reckon he'd be a good fit at Sunderland? I know you need a goalscorer. Also, do you reckon you might make a big for Agbonlahor?

Enjoyed the piss-taking out of Manure by the way, well done!

O'Neill likes a physical presence up top, so there might be something in the Holt rumours. As for Agbonlahor, I think we might make a bid, he played some great football under O'Neill. Whether Villa would entertain a bid, or whether he'd come to Sunderland is another question.


Please please martin take gabby off our hands for £5m and all will be forgiven- i so hope somebody takes him!
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: ozzjim on May 19, 2012, 03:50:48 PM
Solid enough, woeful distribution though. Ok for a right back, You can't be asking about the central defender Cuellar, if Mad Martin is in it will be for the right back.

At 30 he is still young for our Mart, I am sure a good 60k a week, 5 year contract will about sort it, and then not playing a game for the first 6 months.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 19, 2012, 06:05:54 PM
Seems like somebody has tapped Grant Holt up, do you reckon he'd be a good fit at Sunderland? I know you need a goalscorer. Also, do you reckon you might make a big for Agbonlahor?

Enjoyed the piss-taking out of Manure by the way, well done!

O'Neill likes a physical presence up top, so there might be something in the Holt rumours. As for Agbonlahor, I think we might make a bid, he played some great football under O'Neill. Whether Villa would entertain a bid, or whether he'd come to Sunderland is another question.


Please please martin take gabby off our hands for £5m and all will be forgiven- i so hope somebody takes him!

I reckon we'd get at least £8 million for him, maybe £10m. And if we got either I'd snap their hand off. He's had too many false dawns and his body language towards the end of the season was a disgrace. Captain my arse.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Legion on May 19, 2012, 06:51:37 PM
Good, solid, no-nonsense defender. Wish we were keeping him on.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: RunRickyRun on May 19, 2012, 07:33:35 PM
Nice bloke but made a fair few blunders when played, too many for me to describe him as solid. On his day, he could handle anything thrown at him.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: The Left Side on May 19, 2012, 09:55:40 PM
Nice bloke but made a fair few blunders when played, too many for me to describe him as solid. On his day, he could handle anything thrown at him.

I would have to agree!
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: john2710 on May 19, 2012, 10:06:35 PM
Sorry but 3 manager's, including the one who bought him, did not think him good enough to play. Good defender but not good enough footballer for the premiership and you need to be both these days.

Collins can go too.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: hawkeye on May 19, 2012, 11:15:07 PM
a very good defender but poor with the ball
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: DeKuip on May 19, 2012, 11:37:34 PM
Nice guy but as a centre-back is not a patch on Gary Cahill - who MON didn't think was worthy of a first team place.

One of several reasons your manager is not popular around here.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Dave on May 19, 2012, 11:57:02 PM
Sorry but 3 manager's, including the one who bought him, did not think him good enough to play
Yeah. One of those thought Gary Cahill was worth selling to Bolton, one of them was Alex McLeish and one of them thought we should sack of half the first team squad without thinking about who was actually going to play.

They don't always get everything right.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Steve R on May 20, 2012, 01:48:20 AM
He seems a decent enough chap and a good professional. He would probably be a good acquisition if you want cheap backup for your first choice centre halves. He won't complain about lack of opportunity, and will give his best when asked.

He looked an awesome defender in Rangers' UEFA cup run before we signed him, but never really sparkled at Villa Park.

His best moments at right back were when would drift inside to cover the central defenders, which can be quite useful if you have two error prone pissheads playing there.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 20, 2012, 04:40:33 AM
It's time to move out the MON years defenders. For the most part they've been a liability. We must have the slowest, clumsiest back line in the top flight. If a decent offer came in for Hutton he'd be gone too. Shame Glasgow Rangers are in such rough shape. We need to get younger and faster in order to compete, and as a nice a bloke as Carlos is, he represents the past.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Californian Villain on May 20, 2012, 06:00:44 AM
It's time to move out the MON years defenders. For the most part they've been a liability. We must have the slowest, clumsiest back line in the top flight. If a decent offer came in for Hutton he'd be gone too. Shame Glasgow Rangers are in such rough shape. We need to get younger and faster in order to compete, and as a nice a bloke as Carlos is, he represents the past.

It says everything about MON's transfer dealings that Carlos was essentially an expensive replacement for Gary Cahill.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on May 20, 2012, 10:13:30 AM
It is bad idea to sign King Carlos if we got Gary Cahill waiting for opportunity.  It is another example of poor resources management from Martin O'Neill. Imagine if he kept Cahill, and use the money to buy Darren Bent and never bought Emile Heskey or Habib Bye. I bet he would be still working for Aston Villa.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: ChrissyPrice on May 20, 2012, 11:12:01 AM
Good attitude, but Norwich on the final day showed that he is capable of some appalling howlers.

On  a different note 1973, I was  amused by your Poznan on the final day. Gloriously childish.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: itbrvilla on May 20, 2012, 12:21:58 PM
Good attitude but ultimately performed shit to average.  Cost us a lot of goals at times.  Completely overated.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 20, 2012, 04:09:04 PM
Surely Knight and Davies were the ones signed to replace Cahill and Mellberg?
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: silhillvilla on May 20, 2012, 04:27:23 PM
1973, we have a special offer on
BCGCF

Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: paulcomben on May 20, 2012, 04:32:42 PM
Full credit for asking, 1973. He is an honest pro. Previous responses correctly state that MON kept playing him at right back, where he is deeply flawed (no pass/ no pace.) Solid CB, if playing regularly and feeling confident. Being honest, we do not envy you Bramble, who makes Zat Knight look solid...
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: KRS on May 20, 2012, 04:52:59 PM
Nice bloke but ultimately not good enough, prone to mistakes and inability to pass a ball.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 20, 2012, 05:45:32 PM
Sorry but 3 shit manager's, including the one who bought him, did not think him good enough to play.

Fixed.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: OCD on May 20, 2012, 05:49:54 PM
Surely Knight and Davies were the ones signed to replace Cahill and Mellberg?

Cahill left because Knight and Davies were ahead of him and he wasn't being given a chance.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Ian. on May 21, 2012, 02:00:17 PM
Surely Knight and Davies were the ones signed to replace Cahill and Mellberg?
When you think back that was madness. I for one was caught up in the Messiah of MON and thought he must know what he was doing.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: andrew08 on May 21, 2012, 08:57:03 PM
Carlos Cuellar, as a good mate of mine said: " trust us to have the only Spaniard in the Premier League who can't pass"
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: gerags on May 22, 2012, 10:56:44 AM
Carlos Cuellar, as a good mate of mine said: " trust us to have the only Spaniard in the Premier League who can't pass"

Though I do remember him pulling a double stepover out of nowhere in one game.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 22, 2012, 11:19:54 AM
Decent little dribble before N'Zogbia's goal up at Ewood.
He wasn't good enough at all.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 22, 2012, 07:44:15 PM
I do think his distrubution improved in his last year here.

He was awful with the ball under MON.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: dcdavecollett on May 23, 2012, 12:18:59 AM
Under MON his passing was okay but his crossing was pretty ordinary.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 23, 2012, 09:08:28 AM
Cuellar will end up at Stoke.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: David_Nab on May 23, 2012, 10:31:50 AM
Linked with Sunderland today
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Simon Ward on May 23, 2012, 10:32:32 AM
http://t.co/chEscjIP

Official list of all players released by the club!
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Rigadon on May 24, 2012, 06:28:48 AM
Under MON his passing was okay but his crossing was pretty ordinary.

With all the other centre halves.  Pulis probably dreams of a team made entirely from strapping stoppers. 
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: David_Nab on May 24, 2012, 03:19:58 PM
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/24052012/58/premier-league-cuellar-villa-politics-forced.html

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EXCLUSIVE: Former Aston Villa defender Carlos Cuellar is worried that the club's austerity drive could harm the club in the long term after they slipped from the top six to a relegation battle in two seasons.

 
Fan favourite Cuellar, released by Villa on Wednesday after his contract ran down, was a key player under former boss Martin O’Neill as Villa were genuine challengers and competing in Europe.

O’Neill quit two years ago when the club’s American owner Randy Lerner embarked on a cost-cutting drive, selling the likes of James Milner without allowing the Northern Irishman to replace him, and Cuellar feels this strategy left him isolated too.

"I’ve been on holiday for the past week as I needed to relax and clear my head after a stressful couple of years," Cuellar told Eurosport from Madrid, where he is visiting family.

"My first two years at Villa were brilliant as I was playing regularly and we were challenging for the top four. We were a really strong team, and I still love the club.

"But in the last two years something changed, both for the club and me – we lost many of our top players, and had constant problems with managers.

"We had no stability, and we became weaker because of the change in economic direction. Also, I was not in the first XI. So a combination of the club’s troubles and my own lack of playing time made me quite stressed, professionally."

Lerner’s cost-cutting measures saw Milner and Ashley Young among the major departures from the club as he sought to reduce a high wage bill.

That had a major impact on the American’s last managerial appointment, with ex-Birmingham boss Alex McLeish only lasting one season as Villa finished just above the relegation zone.

Cuellar, 30, is reluctant to blame McLeish for the troubles, insisting that internal politics was the overriding negative factor at Villa Park.

"I don’t think the manager wasn’t giving me a fair chance. Obviously as a player you want to play, but I had more of a problem with the way the board were dealing with me and others.

"Had the board come to me and said ‘listen, we are not going to offer you a new contract because of your wages, or because you are not playing well enough’, I would have accepted that and looked for another solution.

"But they said nothing. And yet in the past I had turned down offers to leave because I was told I would be given a new contract and would play!

"The problems at Villa are political – you can’t blame the coaches because they have to deal with the same things too."

Despite his negative experience in the last few years, Cuellar is keen to stay in the Premier League. As an experienced free agent who can play as a full-back as well as a centre-half, the Spaniard should not be short of offers, although none have come in yet.

"I haven’t got any strong ideas about my future because I went away and forgot about football for a few days," he admitted. "The plan is to spend a few more days in Madrid then go back and speak with my agent. But the first option is to stay in the Premier League.

"As a youngster it was always my dream to play in England because of the style of play. I had the opportunity and I want to keep it.

"Of course after five years abroad I miss my family and friends, so sometimes when I go back for holidays my heart tells me maybe I should return. But my head tells me to stay in England, and I know this is the best for me.

"Obviously it depends on if I get any offers, but this is my priority. I enjoy my sporting life in England."

Cuellar came into English football via a season at Rangers, who he joined from Osasuna in 2007. He was linked with a return to the Glasgow club last summer but an injury scuppered the transfer.

Rangers’ problems since then have been well-documented and, while Cuellar has gone on record as saying he would gladly play for the club again, he is not holding out any hope at the moment.

"Rangers will always be in my heart even though it was just one year of my life. But it was probably the biggest year in my life and I have a close emotional contact with the fans.

"I would love to play there again but there are a lot of problems and I believe they can’t sign senior players. But that year was amazing and all my memories of Rangers are good memories.

"They haven’t called me to express their interest though so I can’t say. Even if things clear up for them I don’t even know if they are interested, as things change from year to year, coach to coach."
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 24, 2012, 03:24:59 PM
To be honest that's hardly groundbreaking stuff. It's pretty obvious to anyone that the club has lost its way since the cutting back started. It's what they do moving forward that they need to address.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 24, 2012, 03:31:48 PM
I don't see what the board have done. The whole season we were not mathematically safe. So why would we discuss contracts with him?

Best to keep quiet and let him try and earn one.

As it was he made mistakes in the run in and wasn't good enough. If he wanted a new contract he should have played better.

Nice guy, average defender worth knowhere near his reported £35-40k pw wages.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: eamonn on May 25, 2012, 12:22:33 AM

Nice guy, average defender worth knowhere near his reported £35-40k pw wages.

Neither is Hutton, or Collins, or Warnock or...
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Matt C on May 25, 2012, 12:27:41 AM
Yet we're presumably supposed to believe, Carlos, that the players are entirely blameless? Never the players fault is it.

Poor overpaid professional football is feeling a bit stressed, boo hoo.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: tomd2103 on May 25, 2012, 01:34:08 AM
Top man, but never felt he was physically dominating enough (especially in the air) to be a top class centre half in English football.  His ability to fill in at RB makes him a useful squad member, but we're no longer in the business of paying squad players £40,000 a week. 
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 25, 2012, 06:55:40 AM

Nice guy, average defender worth knowhere near his reported £35-40k pw wages.

Neither is Hutton, or Collins, or Warnock or...

Agreed. But they are not out of contract unfortunately
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: WA Villan on May 25, 2012, 02:27:23 PM
Hearts in the right place, but average (only just) at best. Should consider himself lucky that he managed to carve out a football career, along with Warnock, Collins, Beye, etc.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: OCD on May 26, 2012, 11:58:02 PM
I agree with him in the sense that we need to be steering a clear direction and players/staff/fans properly communicated with. It all comes back to appointing the right manager who can be left to run the club for a number of years where the infrastructure can be made strong, plans drawn up, a clear strategy outlined and contingencies considered.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: villadelph on May 27, 2012, 07:15:27 AM
Hearts in the right place, but average (only just) at best. Should consider himself lucky that he managed to carve out a football career, along with Warnock, Collins, Beye, etc.

come off it, Carlos is a good player.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 27, 2012, 10:55:58 PM
Agreed, surprised by some of the comments on here.

Maybe not saying much but he is a much better centre half than James Collins imo and I dread to think what would happen if either Collins or Dunne had to play at full back.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: eastie on May 28, 2012, 05:41:36 PM
Im reading cuellars situation at villa may be reconsidered. Possible he may be staying,according to a bit on kendricks twitter.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Hoppo on May 28, 2012, 05:44:24 PM
Eastie where do you get your 'info'?
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: eastie on May 28, 2012, 05:48:04 PM
Eastie where do you get your 'info'?

Fingers and pies hoppo, fingers and pies.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: villadelph on May 28, 2012, 05:56:30 PM
Im hearing cuellars situation at villa may be reconsidered. Possible he may be staying.

I don't see why he wouldn't come back. I thought Solskjaer would recall him, and so would Martinez given their style of play. He's our only back that looks to keep the ball on the floor. Not to mention he actually gives a shit.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: South West Villian on May 28, 2012, 06:07:46 PM
Im hearing cuellars situation at villa may be reconsidered. Possible he may be staying.

I don't see why he wouldn't come back. I thought Solskjær would recall him, and so would Martinez given their style of play. He's our only back that looks to keep the ball on the floor. Not to mention he actually gives a shit.

I think it would be a great move, I believe some centre half's genuinely become the real deal late in their careers. And yes he come across as a player that cares about the fans.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Clampy on May 28, 2012, 06:17:53 PM
I can't see it somehow. He must have had something lined up for him to leave.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Nirog72 on May 28, 2012, 06:19:41 PM
Diame opening talks with Premiership clubs in next few days.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Nirog72 on May 28, 2012, 06:20:35 PM
Oops, wrong thread.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: villanic on June 02, 2012, 12:40:51 AM

I can see Carlos ending up at Sunderland.

There is a mackem behind the bar at my local, I asked him today what he thought about signing Carlos and he said he wasn't impressed and thought Bramble and even Ben Turner where better defenders. It does annoy when fans of Sunderland and Newcastle are talk up as being some of the best in the land when really most of them are fecking clueless.

Wouldn't surprise me if O'pube signed Carlos, Reo-Coker and Heskey all on free transfers, I think I’m right in saying that he spent the best parts of £20m of for them when he was at us.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Matt Collins on June 02, 2012, 08:23:12 AM
Im hearing cuellars situation at villa may be reconsidered. Possible he may be staying.

I don't see why he wouldn't come back. I thought Solskjær would recall him, and so would Martinez given their style of play. He's our only back that looks to keep the ball on the floor. Not to mention he actually gives a shit.

Eh? He's the worst passer at the club surely?
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: supertom on June 02, 2012, 08:27:35 AM
I'd welcome Carlos back in a heartbeat. Then I'd build a new, younger defence around him. 2-3 signings and then ship out Collins, Warnock, Hutton and possibly Dunne, though Dunney under Lambert I feel could raise his game again, so I'd be willing to give him another shot.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Ad@m on June 03, 2012, 12:27:48 AM
Carlos's contract wasn't renewed because the club wanted his MON-set wages off the payroll.  The club would only consider re-signing him if he took a massive wage cut.  I doubt he'd be up for that at his age.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: brontebilly on June 03, 2012, 04:19:16 AM
I seem to recall Cuellar as a extremely average right back and a backup centre half under five managers at Villa Park. Despite many opportunities he never nailed down a regular centre half berth in his time at the club. Increasingly injury prone towards the end of his stint, I really can't see any reason why bringing him back would be a good idea.

Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 03, 2012, 07:11:14 AM
Villanic: I'd be very surprised if O'Neill signed NRC, given their 'bust-up'.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Summers on June 03, 2012, 08:11:42 AM
He was on high wages - and as much as I loved him - he isn't good enough to re-sign. We need younger and better players than Cuellar to move forward.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: john2710 on June 03, 2012, 08:12:24 AM
Won't happen and shouldn't happen. Not considered good enough by all Villa's managers over the past 4 years. Why has he suddenly become someone you can build your defence around? He"s not good enough with or without the ball. He may be a nice bloke but any money saved would be better spent elsewhere.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on June 03, 2012, 08:33:42 AM
 He won`t be resigned unless of course he has moved to a lower league club ;)
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Risso on June 03, 2012, 10:33:30 AM
Won't happen and shouldn't happen. Not considered good enough by all Villa's managers over the past 4 years. Why has he suddenly become someone you can build your defence around? He"s not good enough with or without the ball. He may be a nice bloke but any money saved would be better spent elsewhere.

Spot on.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: DaveD on July 02, 2012, 10:09:58 AM
Signed for Sunderland
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 02, 2012, 10:12:44 AM
www.average.com/butbetterthantheshitwevegot.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: supertom on July 02, 2012, 10:16:45 AM
Good luck to him. He'll do well up there. I know O Neill kept shifting him to fullback or benching him, but looking at their side, Carlos should be a starter. Give him 30+ games a season in his right position, and he'll be very consistent.

We need better, or perhaps something different. O Neill isn't interested in ball playing centre halfs. Lambert may well be.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 02, 2012, 10:21:05 AM
Only a two year deal?  Martin is slipping.  There is a great segue in the Sun report on this saying it comes they day after they have let left-back George McCartney leave for West Ham...........be afraid Carlos, be very afraid!!
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 02, 2012, 12:45:15 PM
Im reading cuellars situation at villa may be reconsidered. Possible he may be staying,according to a bit on kendricks twitter.

Eastie, I see you're ITK is taking bollocks yet again and making you look a fool for the millionth time. You might want to reconsider posting like you know what's going on for a bit.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 02, 2012, 12:48:55 PM
Good luck to him. He'll do well up there. I know O Neill kept shifting him to fullback or benching him, but looking at their side, Carlos should be a starter. Give him 30+ games a season in his right position, and he'll be very consistent.

We need better, or perhaps something different. O Neill isn't interested in ball playing centre halfs. Lambert may well be.

When was the last time any manager gave him 30+ games in his right position? Up at Rangers I imagine. He'll be shunted around from CB to RB to the bench. He'll never complain. He's a good player, not a great player by any stretch, but is possibly the only Spanish player on the earth that cannot pass a football.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Summers on July 02, 2012, 12:57:26 PM
Villa fans on his Facebook are fucking idiots. They range from Cuellar being a wanker for leaving to Cuellar being a world class centreback who we should have kept and Faulkner should be fired for letting him go.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Lambert and Payne on July 02, 2012, 12:59:48 PM
Good luck Carlos
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Villafirst on July 02, 2012, 01:56:16 PM
Another dumb decision by the club - we seem to do well releasing decent centre backs prematurely - Cahill & Mellberg spring to mind.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: SX150 on July 02, 2012, 02:06:32 PM
Good luck Carlos. Don't understand his decision wanting to work with MON again. Welcome Sunderland to players on high wages either playing out of position or not at all. This is unless MON hes changed his style of management
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: SO Villa on July 02, 2012, 02:45:27 PM
Another dumb decision by the club - we seem to do well releasing decent centre backs prematurely - Cahill & Mellberg spring to mind.

Cahill has been done to death and Mellberg chose to go to Juventus. It's hardly fair to say they were "released".
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: usav on July 02, 2012, 02:53:59 PM
Good luck Carlos. Don't understand his decision wanting to work with MON again.

Me either.  Carlos must like either being left on the bench or playing out of position.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: eastie on July 02, 2012, 02:54:53 PM
Im reading cuellars situation at villa may be reconsidered. Possible he may be staying,according to a bit on kendricks twitter.

Eastie, I see you're ITK is taking bollocks yet again and making you look a fool for the millionth time. You might want to reconsider posting like you know what's going on for a bit.

A comment on kendricks twitter pal, if you read the post , nothing about itk mentioned - good luck to carlos!

As for you toronto maybe you can consider not being so nasty to people who post in good faith.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Dr Butler on July 02, 2012, 03:11:15 PM
Thanks for the header vs Manure Carlos, good luck at MartinONeillsSunderland FC

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Legion on July 02, 2012, 04:30:19 PM
Thanks for the header vs Manure Carlos, good luck at MartinONeillsSunderland FC

UTV
The Doc

I prefer the term Judas FC.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 02, 2012, 04:56:54 PM
Signed for Sunderland

Typical O'Neill signing, probably sees Carlos as the ideal replacement for Craig Gordon.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Matt C on July 02, 2012, 04:59:30 PM
Strange one, expected Carlos to head back to Spain - he obviously fancies a career on the bench/at right back.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 02, 2012, 05:02:47 PM
Strange days indeed. Carlos chooses to sign again for MON after rarely being picked by him before to play in his preferred position and MON signs a player at the start of a transfer window.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 02, 2012, 05:23:58 PM
Im reading cuellars situation at villa may be reconsidered. Possible he may be staying,according to a bit on kendricks twitter.

Eastie, I see you're ITK is taking bollocks yet again and making you look a fool for the millionth time. You might want to reconsider posting like you know what's going on for a bit.

A comment on kendricks twitter pal, if you read the post , nothing about itk mentioned - good luck to carlos!

As for you toronto maybe you can consider not being so nasty to people who post in good faith.


Ok, ok. I'm sorry. Didn't mean to come over that way. Let's move on and hope for a fantastic season.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: eastie on July 02, 2012, 05:42:34 PM
Well said toronto, lets indeed hope for a great season, the feeling if positivity around villa right now is refreshing and i cannot wait for the season to get started !
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Chipsticks on July 02, 2012, 06:00:38 PM
Signed for Sunderland

Typical O'Neill signing, probably sees Carlos as the ideal replacement for Craig Gordon.

Well we all know MON loves a big guy up front.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: villadelph on July 02, 2012, 06:16:41 PM
Really surprised that Cuellar opted to re-unite with MON. I don't see him getting much playing time up there even if they are short on defenders. He's too passive and content with being on the bench. I hope he does well, but Sunderland go down. This kind of ruins the whole "hero" image I had for him..

feck MON.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: l_mckay on July 02, 2012, 06:18:53 PM
good luck to Carlos at Sunderland. He is an average premier league defender at best,and a poor right back!
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: TopDeck113 on July 02, 2012, 06:22:13 PM
When I heard that he'd gone to Sunderland I didn't immediately think of MON.  I wonder if that means that with the new optimism around Villa Park I'm finally moving on?
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Ad@m on July 02, 2012, 06:36:19 PM
This really is the start of the spiralling Sunderland wage bill.

Like many have said, why would Cuellar want to go play for a manager who consistently either overlooked him or played him out of position.  The answer has got to be that MON offered him what he was on at the Villa and no-one else would.

Who owns Sunderland these days?  Because if his pockets aren't as deep as Randy's they could be in a whole world of trouble in 4 years time...
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 02, 2012, 07:28:27 PM
Who owns Sunderland these days?  Because if his pockets aren't as deep as Randy's they could be in a whole world of trouble in 4 years time...

Ellis Short. He has about a billion in his back pocket.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: villadelph on July 02, 2012, 08:07:25 PM
This really is the start of the spiralling Sunderland wage bill.

Like many have said, why would Cuellar want to go play for a manager who consistently either overlooked him or played him out of position.  The answer has got to be that MON offered him what he was on at the Villa and no-one else would.

Who owns Sunderland these days?  Because if his pockets aren't as deep as Randy's they could be in a whole world of trouble in 4 years time...

Heskey too, lol.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Steve67 on July 02, 2012, 08:12:44 PM
Frying pan into the fire in my opinion, enjoy playing right back for MON Carlos.  Getting older etc.  Bent will rip him apart next season, if, of course, Carlos is playing.  This is one of those wierd MON type signings.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 02, 2012, 09:15:59 PM
Had to chuckle at the two year deal at 30. (Remember Beye was given a 3 year deal at 32).

Shows Ellis Short and whoever the chief exec they have are no mugs, you could just see MON arguing the toss with them to give Carlos a 4 year deal or something!

He'll do o.k for them, he's better than Bardsley and Turner I think.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 02, 2012, 11:24:18 PM
It wouldn't shock me to see John Carew end up there too. He's on a free.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Chipsticks on July 02, 2012, 11:35:16 PM
All the best, Carlos. You deserve first-team football, and I hope you don't end up regretting going back to MON.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: eamonn on July 03, 2012, 12:54:24 AM
It wouldn't shock me to see John Carew end up there too. He's on a free.

No chance. He's finished and I don't think O'Neill ever fully forgave him for tittybargate.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: willywombat on July 03, 2012, 08:12:01 AM
I really liked Carlos and I hope he does well but I would be massively underwhelmed if I were a Sunderland supporter right now
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: DrGonzo on July 03, 2012, 08:18:03 AM
Good luck Carlos.  A move that proves the man must really love being played out of position.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 03, 2012, 08:37:08 AM
He'll probably end up playing up front
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 03, 2012, 08:40:28 AM
Doubt it - MON is now fave to land Grant Holt

My god he does like his older players doesnt he?
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Ad@m on July 03, 2012, 02:04:22 PM
Doubt it - MON is now fave to land Grant Holt

My god he does like his older players doesnt he?

If ever there was a manager who prepares for now and now alone, it's MON.  A forward-thinker he ain't!
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Trinitymiddle on July 03, 2012, 07:21:13 PM
There's a guy on Twitter who is usually pretty good at ITK's and claims that NRC is very close to signing for Sunderland. Also strong rumours that Warnock is off there.

How pissed off would you be as a Sunderland fan if you saw these players signing for 3 or 4 years? Does MON not have any scouts????
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: danlanza on July 03, 2012, 07:28:04 PM
No! And he has fewer bollocks than he has scouts !
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: JJ-AV on July 03, 2012, 07:46:18 PM
2 year deal, nice to see MON's learnt from his mistakes...
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: asgpaul on July 03, 2012, 07:46:42 PM
There's a guy on Twitter who is usually pretty good at ITK's and claims that NRC is very close to signing for Sunderland. Also strong rumours that Warnock is off there.

How pissed off would you be as a Sunderland fan if you saw these players signing for 3 or 4 years? Does MON not have any scouts????

Didn't MON and NRC have a punch up during training once?
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Legion on July 03, 2012, 07:47:15 PM
I believe so.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Legion on July 03, 2012, 07:48:35 PM
Judas v Reo-Coker (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/2643358/Martin-ONeill-and-Nigel-Reo-Coker-in-training-ground-bust-up.html)
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 03, 2012, 09:05:21 PM
Would be amazed if NRC plays for O'Neill again.

He'll probably end up at QPR.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Matt C on July 03, 2012, 09:20:10 PM
Or back at West Ham.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: asgpaul on July 03, 2012, 09:22:46 PM
Judas v Reo-Coker (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/2643358/Martin-ONeill-and-Nigel-Reo-Coker-in-training-ground-bust-up.html)

MON never seemed like the forgiving sort, on that basis can't see NRC signing for him again.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: peter w on July 03, 2012, 09:43:42 PM
The only way you can judge your own or ex-players is how you'd feel if and when they line up against you. Cuellar? meh.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: rob_bridge on July 03, 2012, 09:45:32 PM
To be fair after the fall out NRC was captain for a game v Bolton which was probably his best for Villa.
A few weeks later Stan was back and NRC was on the bench when we won at Old Trafford - and MON never realy changed the team after that. The start of his and our demise.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: villalovefc on July 04, 2012, 05:15:02 AM
Cuellar was a decent player for Villa.  Never keen on losing somebody like that, but it could be worse I suppose.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 04, 2012, 08:52:48 AM
The only way you can judge your own or ex-players is how you'd feel if and when they line up against you. Cuellar? meh.

Agree totally - great bloke and average player
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: richard moore on July 04, 2012, 12:35:56 PM
The only way you can judge your own or ex-players is how you'd feel if and when they line up against you. Cuellar? meh.

Good point Peter. I always thought he was distinctly average though sometimes unfairly left out in competition with other even less distinctly average players. I hate 'hit and hoof' defenders and he was one of the best at that. As you say, him lining up against us would invoke no reaction in me at all to be honest. Nice guy though I think, saw him once being very considerate to the youngsters seeking autographs in a pre-season friendly at Basingstoke as he ambled around the side of the pitch
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 04, 2012, 12:46:01 PM
I'm sure someone will be along to post an alternative view once his masterwork A Complete History of Spurs Accounts is finished.
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: Risso on July 04, 2012, 07:36:12 PM
I'm sure someone will be along to post an alternative view once his masterwork A Complete History of Spurs Accounts is finished.

Nearly finished!  Or did you mean Mr Dawg? ;)
Title: Re: Carlos Cuéllar
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 04, 2012, 07:50:31 PM
Dunno what the stats show over the last few seasons but I would be surprised if we were poor defensively on the rare occasions it was Carlos in central defence alongside Collins or Dunne or even when he was moved to RB as we were o.k defensively over xmas when he was playing there.
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