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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on April 01, 2012, 06:57:53 AM
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Stiliyan Petrov is clearly held in high regard and affection at Parkhead as well.
We now usually have a high profile pre season game at VP, I can think of no better chance of getting a really big crowd and raising a £1million for Leukaemia research into the bargain.
I dont know what Celtics pre season schedule is, but our final game in the USA is 24th July with the new season opening on 18th August - assuming we are still in The Premier ???. That gives three free weekend dates.
I cannot remember a Scottish team visiting us since the infamous 1970s game with Rangers, so it is long overdue.
What do others think ? Also if this idea does have legs, perhaps those on this site who have the ear of the club could suggest it ?
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Great idea.
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We played Hibs in a pre season.
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Either Villa Celtic pre season or Villa Bulgaria as a curtain raiser to the Euros. The road Stan is on will be a hard one in the weeks and months ahead. Our support for him must not fade away after yesterday's high emotion.
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Wonderful idea.
Over to you Randy
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The 3 weeks before the start of next premier season clash with the Olympics.
I know that won't bother a lot of football fans but I'm on duty officiating at the athletics for 12 days.
Plus Celtic may have a Champions League qualifier. But otherwise a great idea. Just hope I'm free to go to see it.
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Great idea
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I cannot remember a Scottish team visiting us since the infamous 1970s game with Rangers, so it is long overdue.
Nearly 40 years later I'm still scarred from that game. I'd imagine many who were there that day would feel the same and would think twice about attending any match against either of the Glasgow clubs, regardless of the charitable reasons.
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Great idea, let's get Legion on the case to the club.
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Not for me.
Rangers is still fresh in the memory and I would not trust it to be the day it should be.
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Not for me.
Rangers is still fresh in the memory and I would not trust it to be the day it should be.
Nor me.
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I was at the Rangers game in 1976 and must disagree with some of the above comments that supporters could not be trusted to behave. Things are not perfect but surely we have moved on a long way from then ?
If you check this Celtic thread on Stiliyan you will see their feelings towards him are the same as ours. They are having a 19th minute applause at their game today and you will also see a couple of their fans have suggested a match against us too.
But if people really think its a problem, play the game up there in a 60,000 stadium and probably raise 50% more money. I would want to go wherever it was played.
http://www.talkceltic.net/forum/showthread.php?t=121414
(http://www.talkceltic.net/forum/image.php?u=29929&type=sigpic&dateline=1333208300)
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Fantastic response from the Celtic fans. Heart warming stuff.
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was it really that bad?
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was it really that bad?
Yep
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was it really that bad?
YES!
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We played Hibs in a pre season.
Yes I remember that one al their union flags with green . First time I'd seen that.
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was it really that bad?
Yes, it was really bad. It was also 36 years ago, and we should not be hostages to history.
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I don't see why the Rangers 'friendly' in '76 should have any bearing on the decision whether or not to have a charity match against Celtic 36 years later, which would be taking place for very different reasons. They'd only get a limited amount of tickets for a start, secondly, there would be loads more Villa fans there, and thirdly, the travelling Celts seem to behave themselves on their travels.
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was it really that bad?
Yes, it was really bad. It was also 36 years ago, and we should not be hostages to history.
Exactly. I can't believe a few are scared of the possibility of a few thousand fans coming down from Scotland for a charity game.
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Three fundraising legs: Villa vs Celtic. Celtic vs Villa. Winners play Bulgaria.
The 'wegies aren't a bad bunch, the Irish side of my family are all rabid for the Celtic. On the whole they seem to have some respect for the Villa, even if slightly grudgingly. But that's the 'wegie way, innit.
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I don't see why the Rangers 'friendly' in '76 should have any bearing on the decision whether or not to have a charity match against Celtic 36 years later, which would be taking place for very different reasons. They'd only get a limited amount of tickets for a start, secondly, there would be loads more Villa fans there, and thirdly, the travelling Celts seem to behave themselves on their travels.
Seem to behave themselves on their travels ?
When they played over at the Blues,there was absolute chaos all day in Digbeth and Small Heath
Oh and this is them behaving themselves on there travels as well
Thats our troops there referring to by the way !!!
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I don't see why the Rangers 'friendly' in '76 should have any bearing on the decision whether or not to have a charity match against Celtic 36 years later, which would be taking place for very different reasons. They'd only get a limited amount of tickets for a start, secondly, there would be loads more Villa fans there, and thirdly, the travelling Celts seem to behave themselves on their travels.
Seem to behave themselves on their travels ?
When they played over at the Blues,there was absolute chaos all day in Digbeth and Small Heath
Oh and this is them behaving themselves on there travels as well
Thats our troops there referring to by the way !!!
Villa fans, by contrast, are absolute angels in comparison during the derby games. Youtube video just shows some pissed up twats.
I don't even think this would happen anyway. The schedule is already full. Nice idea though.
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While I understand some worry about playing one of the Infirm, if it was a game dedicated to Petrov I can't believe there would be any trouble.
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I don't see why the Rangers 'friendly' in '76 should have any bearing on the decision whether or not to have a charity match against Celtic 36 years later, which would be taking place for very different reasons. They'd only get a limited amount of tickets for a start, secondly, there would be loads more Villa fans there, and thirdly, the travelling Celts seem to behave themselves on their travels.
Seem to behave themselves on their travels ?
When they played over at the Blues,there was absolute chaos all day in Digbeth and Small Heath
Oh and this is them behaving themselves on there travels as well
Thats our troops there referring to by the way !!!
Villa fans, by contrast, are absolute angels in comparison during the derby games. Youtube video just shows some pissed up twats.
I don't even think this would happen anyway. The schedule is already full. Nice idea though.
I dont see our schedule as full. We have three free weekends between coming back from the US tour and the opening of the season.
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While I understand some worry about playing one of the Infirm, if it was a game dedicated to Petrov I can't believe there would be any trouble.
Lovely sentiment,but i'd point you in the direction of my link which is a game they played in is a pre-season friendly
Vile,horrible,reptiles,they need keeping as far away from Villa Park as possible
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Im sure we could get Cska Sofia over at some point, or get an XI of players he's played with at Sofia, Celtic, Bulgaria and former Villains who played alongside to him.
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Having witnessed the support of Celtic fans I would shy away completely.
They still sing pro-IRA songs, denounce our troops and most things British. The one thing they don't denounce is the British pound they seem to quite fond of.
Nothing canbe gained from such a game apart from Villa Park being a venue for bigotry and giving this cities victims to murderous terrorism I sense there could only be trouble.
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While I understand some worry about playing one of the Infirm, if it was a game dedicated to Petrov I can't believe there would be any trouble.
Lovely sentiment,but i'd point you in the direction of my link which is a game they played in is a pre-season friendly
Vile,horrible,reptiles,they need keeping as far away from Villa Park as possible
We could always play up there... bigger ground = bigger gate receipts = more money to charity. Plus they might be unwilling to travel too far with European Cup qualifiers to prepare for.
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Nice sentiment , but a daft idea , it would be utter carnage , any self respecting Brummie would get rather upset if the Celtic supporters go through thier UP THE RA repotoire , and trust me they will.
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They won't. It would be a friendly to raise money for one of their former players who is stricken by cancer. Even Small Heath and Leeds wouldn't kick off in those circumstances.
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It's a great idea and think it would be very well received at Parkhead. As for their fans, I'd imagine they'd be looking to prove a point to one and all, especially on hearing about the Rangers episode.
Having been up there in the mid 80's to see us play them in a friendly, plus the numerous times they've played over here in Lisbon, I think there'd be nothing to worry about, they know how to behave. Ideally the best situation would be to play two games, home and away, thus raising more money and giving more fans the opportunity to pay their respects to Stan.
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Celtic have played quite a few friendlies in England and I don't think they've caused too many problems. Limit them to five thousand of their season ticket holders and it should be fine. The only way there would be trouble is if people actually go with the intention of causing it - and I reckon we've as many idiots to worry about on that score as them.
The focus of such a game would be Petrov - anyone trying to cause trouble under such conditions would have to be bordering on insane/inhuman.
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Having just read a thread on a Celtic forum, some of their fans have already written to the Villa about the idea of a friendly. The biggest threat will be from Celtic fans wanting to kiss and hug Villa fans, eager to show their appreciation of the love and respect shown yesterday to Stan.
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Its a great idea, and think what it would mean to Stan and his family!
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Celtic's travelling fans are nowhere near as bad as Rangers' and anyone who says otherwise is, I suspect, motivated to do so by their own prejudice or, at best, clueless about the reality.
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I too was at THAT 'friendly' and it's something I never want to see again.
However times have changed and we shouldn't let the scars of history dictate our thoughts now. I'm all for this match being played at Villa Park but if the two clubs decided it would be better to hold it at Celtic Park (bigger crowd equals more money for charity)
then I'm up for that too. And believe me Glasgow has some excellent nightlife that I have sampled on occasion.
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Vile,horrible,reptiles,they need keeping as far away from Villa Park as possible
Are these the "Vile, horrible, reptiles" you are referring to ?
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Really??, those of us with long memories still shudder when recalling previous "friendlies" with the Glasgow clubs, the idea might be a noble one but i`de rather it wasnt played down here, a neutral venue maybe, like the moon for instance.
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Vile,horrible,reptiles,they need keeping as far away from Villa Park as possible
Are these the "Vile, horrible, reptiles" you are referring to ?
My god, now Ive seen that I'm not so sure about having them inside Villa Park. All that noise they make will disturb the cathedral like atmosphere in Villa Park that we have all come to love. :o
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Yeah, those 'Glasgow clubs' eh?
They're a bit like the 'Birmingham clubs', and the notorious 'south-east London clubs', Millwall and Charlton.
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I cannot remember a Scottish team visiting us since the infamous 1970s game with Rangers, so it is long overdue.
Nearly 40 years later I'm still scarred from that game. I'd imagine many who were there that day would feel the same and would think twice about attending any match against either of the Glasgow clubs, regardless of the charitable reasons.
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Liverpool and Manchester United have links with Celtic - we do not.
I admire the sentiment but I still recall the hordes descending on Brum two to three days before the game - it wasn`t an enjoyable experience and I was a Rangers "follower" at the time.
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Celtic's travelling fans are nowhere near as bad as Rangers' and anyone who says otherwise is, I suspect, motivated to do so by their own prejudice or, at best, clueless about the reality.
You should have seen Manchester city centre the last time Rangers came to town.
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Vile,horrible,reptiles,they need keeping as far away from Villa Park as possible
Are you denying that the Celtic fans do not sing pro-IRA songs?
Do you think that a city that had its people murdered by such a cowardly terrorist organisation should welcome supporters of such an abominable sect?
Personally I only see trouble and from those who have been victims of such monsters then I could not condemn them.
Keep the bigotry away from Villa Park.
Are these the "Vile, horrible, reptiles" you are referring to ?
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Are people in denial about Celtic supporters?
They sing pro-IRA songs, this city has innocent dead because of the cowardly murdering terrorist organisation called te IRA.
So if they promise to behave then that's ok?
Villa Park should not be the home to bigotry nor should we entertain idiots who glory in my fellow Brummies deaths.
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I cannot remember a Scottish team visiting us since the infamous 1970s game with Rangers, so it is long overdue.
Nearly 40 years later I'm still scarred from that game. I'd imagine many who were there that day would feel the same and would think twice about attending any match against either of the Glasgow clubs, regardless of the charitable reasons.
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Liverpool and Manchester United have links with Celtic - we do not.
I admire the sentiment but I still recall the hordes descending on Brum two to three days before the game - it wasn`t an enjoyable experience and I was a Rangers "follower" at the time.
What "links" do these clubs have with Celtic? None whatsoever would be my view. Beyond competitive football, they've played each other a few times in friendlies and that's about it as far as I can see. I fear people are reading far too much into matches against either of the Old Firm and fearing we will somehow be getting drawn into their nonsense if we play either of them.
The idea of Villa playing Stan's former club in a friendly to raise money for Stan's illness is fantastic. Anyone who takes such a match at anything other than face value is missing the point entirely I fear. I recall us playing a friendly against Blues for Paul McGrath many moons ago - does this mean we have links with them (or any other club we've played friendlies against)? Of course not.
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Are people in denial about Celtic supporters?
They sing pro-IRA songs, this city has innocent dead because of the cowardly murdering terrorist organisation called te IRA.
So if they promise to behave then that's ok?
Villa Park should not be the home to bigotry nor should we entertain idiots who glory in my fellow Brummies deaths.
Let's go the whole hog and say Stan Petrov shouldn't have played for them. And Alan McInally. And plenty of other former Villa players. What were the people at Wembley Stadium thinking when they invited Celtic to that pre-season tournament a couple of years ago? How could they invite such animals to London? Barry Bannan is a Celtic supporter, let's give him the boot, too.
Celtic - like ourselves - have a fair few arses following their club. Let's not tar them all with the same brush though.
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Supporters of Celtic are not an `abominable sect`, the majority of them are just passionate followers of the local football club followed by their fathers and grandfathers. No doubt a minority of them have extreme and unacceptable views, but that is no reason to tar them all with the same brush. I expect amongst AVFCs tens of thousands there has to be a few who are probably bigotted neo nazi white supremacists or hold other extreme views. The same as if you took any large cross section of the population.
I am well aware that secretarian issues exist within Glasgow and the Celtic/Rangers rivalry has a slant to it unlike other big city football rivalries, but crass generalisations is usually the reason for most bad feelings and misunderstanding.
I dont mind that some just ask the question about possible crowd disorder, personally I think thats unlikely. But I do find it sad that a suggestion for a friendly charity game for a good cause should be so quickly politicised by someone who appears to have an axe to grind probably relating to the pub bombings and other atrocities. Hoepfully those of us who try to promote the hand of friendship amongst fans of different clubs will outnumber those who appear to want to throw heat onto a situation instead of light.
Oh by the way...Get well soon Stan.
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Celtic v villa at parkhead would get my vote and probably attract a bigger crowd too- stan petrov although highly regarded at villa is a huge player in celtics recent history and the fans love him up there .
It would be great to show our feelings towards him in a pre season charity raiser for leukemia.
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Are people in denial about Celtic supporters?
They sing pro-IRA songs, this city has innocent dead because of the cowardly murdering terrorist organisation called te IRA.
So if they promise to behave then that's ok?
Villa Park should not be the home to bigotry nor should we entertain idiots who glory in my fellow Brummies deaths.
Let's go the whole hog and say Stan Petrov shouldn't have played for them. And Alan McInally. And plenty of other former Villa players. What were the people at Wembley Stadium thinking when they invited Celtic to that pre-season tournament a couple of years ago? How could they invite such animals to London? Barry Bannan is a Celtic supporter, let's give him the boot, too.
Celtic - like ourselves - have a fair few arses following their club. Let's not tar them all with the same brush though.
It's nothing to do with the club itself, I refer to the majority of its support. I have been to several Celtic games as my family a Catholic Glaswegians. I have family members who believe in the United Ireland stuff.
The bigotry is prevlant at every game and is not undertaken by a minority but the majority.
Have you been?
Have you been into the pubs and clubs by Parkhead?
Both Rangers and Celtic are vessels of political and religious bigotry.
Bring either to Villa Park and I guarantee a negative reaction which will counter the reason of the clubs being brought together.
I believe Celtic have visited several English clubs for friendliest, Birmingham, Chelsea, Arsenal and United for CL.
All have seen trouble because of the conflict in the Provisional attitude of the Celtic supporters.
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Supporters of Celtic are not an `abominable sect`, the majority of them are just passionate followers of the local football club followed by their fathers and grandfathers. No doubt a minority of them have extreme and unacceptable views, but that is no reason to tar them all with the same brush. I expect amongst AVFCs tens of thousands there has to be a few who are probably bigotted neo nazi white supremacists or hold other extreme views. The same as if you took any large cross section of the population.
I am well aware that secretarian issues exist within Glasgow and the Celtic/Rangers rivalry has a slant to it unlike other big city football rivalries, but crass generalisations is usually the reason for most bad feelings and misunderstanding.
I dont mind that some just ask the question about possible crowd disorder, personally I think thats unlikely. But I do find it sad that a suggestion for a friendly charity game for a good cause should be so quickly politicised by someone who appears to have an axe to grind probably relating to the pub bombings and other atrocities. Hoepfully those of us who try to promote the hand of friendship amongst fans of different clubs will outnumber those who appear to want to throw heat onto a situation instead of light.
Oh by the way...Get well soon Stan.
Why have you referred to Villa fans as having white supremacists amongst our ranks?
I have never seen nor heard any neo nazi supporters at Villa Park so I find your comparison to 2 sets of supporters where one has an open agenda of political and religious bigotry to comparing my fellow Villa fans as far right extremists with no foundation offensive.
Keep intolerance out of Villa Park.
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And the lesson we have learned from this thread is.........Never let the chance to raise money for charity get in the way of a bit of bigotry from both sides of the argument.
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Supporters of Celtic are not an `abominable sect`, the majority of them are just passionate followers of the local football club followed by their fathers and grandfathers. No doubt a minority of them have extreme and unacceptable views, but that is no reason to tar them all with the same brush. I expect amongst AVFCs tens of thousands there has to be a few who are probably bigotted neo nazi white supremacists or hold other extreme views. The same as if you took any large cross section of the population.
I am well aware that secretarian issues exist within Glasgow and the Celtic/Rangers rivalry has a slant to it unlike other big city football rivalries, but crass generalisations is usually the reason for most bad feelings and misunderstanding.
I dont mind that some just ask the question about possible crowd disorder, personally I think thats unlikely. But I do find it sad that a suggestion for a friendly charity game for a good cause should be so quickly politicised by someone who appears to have an axe to grind probably relating to the pub bombings and other atrocities. Hoepfully those of us who try to promote the hand of friendship amongst fans of different clubs will outnumber those who appear to want to throw heat onto a situation instead of light.
Oh by the way...Get well soon Stan.
Why have you referred to Villa fans as having white supremacists amongst our ranks?
I have never seen nor heard any neo nazi supporters at Villa Park so I find your comparison to 2 sets of supporters where one has an open agenda of political and religious bigotry to comparing my fellow Villa fans as far right extremists with no foundation offensive.
Keep intolerance out of Villa Park.
I am simply saying if you took any cross section of say 30,000 people you will find some have disgusting views of some description. They may or may not be openly aired. It may or may not be tagged on to the organisation that those tens of thousands of people have in common.
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And the lesson we have learned from this thread is.........Never let the chance to raise money for charity get in the way of a bit of bigotry from both sides of the argument.
If only life was that simple then we could arrange a charity walk.
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And the lesson we have learned from this thread is.........Never let the chance to raise money for charity get in the way of a bit of bigotry from both sides of the argument.
Your right. It was a bloody silly suggestion. A well known sportsman from Bulgaria gets a life threatening illness and its results in an argument about the IRA. In retrospect, I suggest Celtic play a game against Bulgaria for charity and the Villa stay out of it.
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This is for a great cause, but when it descends into chaos , maybe just maybe some people will take there rose tinted specs off.
For some any singing of political songs is not acceptable , but songs that mock the lads serving , and promote an organisation that murdered 21 of our own.
Is crazy ,
My opinion.
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And the lesson we have learned from this thread is.........Never let the chance to raise money for charity get in the way of a bit of bigotry from both sides of the argument.
If only life was that simple then we could arrange a charity walk.
An Orange march? :o
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And the lesson we have learned from this thread is.........Never let the chance to raise money for charity get in the way of a bit of bigotry from both sides of the argument.
If only life was that simple then we could arrange a charity walk.
An Orange march? :o
And the lesson we have learned from this thread is.........Never let the chance to raise money for charity get in the way of a bit of bigotry from both sides of the argument.
If only life was that simple then we could arrange a charity walk.
An Orange march? :o
Not In my name.
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And the lesson we have learned from this thread is.........Never let the chance to raise money for charity get in the way of a bit of bigotry from both sides of the argument.
If only life was that simple then we could arrange a charity walk.
An Orange march? :o
And the lesson we have learned from this thread is.........Never let the chance to raise money for charity get in the way of a bit of bigotry from both sides of the argument.
If only life was that simple then we could arrange a charity walk.
An Orange march? :o
Not In my name.
its a SELL OUT
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Are people in denial about Celtic supporters?
They sing pro-IRA songs, this city has innocent dead because of the cowardly murdering terrorist organisation called te IRA.
So if they promise to behave then that's ok?
Villa Park should not be the home to bigotry nor should we entertain idiots who glory in my fellow Brummies deaths.
Let's go the whole hog and say Stan Petrov shouldn't have played for them. And Alan McInally. And plenty of other former Villa players. What were the people at Wembley Stadium thinking when they invited Celtic to that pre-season tournament a couple of years ago? How could they invite such animals to London? Barry Bannan is a Celtic supporter, let's give him the boot, too.
Celtic - like ourselves - have a fair few arses following their club. Let's not tar them all with the same brush though.
It's nothing to do with the club itself, I refer to the majority of its support. I have been to several Celtic games as my family a Catholic Glaswegians. I have family members who believe in the United Ireland stuff.
The bigotry is prevlant at every game and is not undertaken by a minority but the majority.
Have you been?
Have you been into the pubs and clubs by Parkhead?
Both Rangers and Celtic are vessels of political and religious bigotry.
Bring either to Villa Park and I guarantee a negative reaction which will counter the reason of the clubs being brought together.
I believe Celtic have visited several English clubs for friendliest, Birmingham, Chelsea, Arsenal and United for CL.
All have seen trouble because of the conflict in the Provisional attitude of the Celtic supporters.
That suggests it's our own supporters who would cause the problems, which is a sad state of affairs. Fair enough, though, perhaps it would be best to organize a match v a Bulgarian XI instead. (Or maybe we could play Celtic in Bulgaria!)
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I don't see why the Rangers 'friendly' in '76 should have any bearing on the decision whether or not to have a charity match against Celtic 36 years later, which would be taking place for very different reasons. They'd only get a limited amount of tickets for a start, secondly, there would be loads more Villa fans there, and thirdly, the travelling Celts seem to behave themselves on their travels.
There were reports that 80,000 Celts made the trip to the UEFA Cup Final against Porto, many obviously without tickets. The Glasgow fans are a breed apart, especially with a game in England to go to. If you think there would be loads more Villa fans there you're welcome to that opinion.
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I don't see why the Rangers 'friendly' in '76 should have any bearing on the decision whether or not to have a charity match against Celtic 36 years later, which would be taking place for very different reasons. They'd only get a limited amount of tickets for a start, secondly, there would be loads more Villa fans there, and thirdly, the travelling Celts seem to behave themselves on their travels.
There were reports that 80,000 Celts made the trip to the UEFA Cup Final against Porto, many obviously without tickets. The Glasgow fans are a breed apart, especially with a game in England to go to. If you think there would be loads more Villa fans there you're welcome to that opinion.
Oh no, not that story
If you listen to Celtic fans, you'd think half the population of Scotland went to that match.
FWIW I think it's taking a pretty dim view of Glaswegian football to think Celtic fans would kick off in a charity match for a cause like this. I'm sure it would take place in utter peace and in the right atmosphere.
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It would be a love-in, whether at Villa Park or at Parkhead. Any Villa fan going up there for a Petrov fundraiser would be treated like a king. Personally, I'd like to see two games played, one at each ground.
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It would be a love-in, whether at Villa Park or at Parkhead. Any Villa fan going up there for a Petrov fundraiser would be treated like a king. Personally, I'd like to see two games played, one at each ground.
Fuck it lets go the whole hog ala the SPL and play them 4 times!
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was it really that bad?
Yep
What happened?
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DesOff course there will be trouble , this site represents a small amount of opinions. It is a decent outlet for all things Villa related, but take the emotion of Stans illness , and look at reality of stuff.
They will sing Pro IRA anti British stuff, to believe different is naive .
There will be a negative reaction that probably will be confontational.
There are a lot of none footbaling people that will have agendas from both sides.
If anyone was present at the Rangers game . Where do you think the celtic scarves and tricolours came from .
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How come Celtic have played against plenty of English teams over the last 5/10 years with no trouble? Are those saying there would be trouble therefore saying it would come from our fans?
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And the lesson we have learned from this thread is.........Never let the chance to raise money for charity get in the way of a bit of bigotry from both sides of the argument.
If only life was that simple then we could arrange a charity walk.
An Orange march? :o
And the lesson we have learned from this thread is.........Never let the chance to raise money for charity get in the way of a bit of bigotry from both sides of the argument.
If only life was that simple then we could arrange a charity walk.
An Orange march? :o
Not In my name.
its a SELL OUT
Is that supposed to be funny or a question of my political leaning?
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How come Celtic have played against plenty of English teams over the last 5/10 years with no trouble? Are those saying there would be trouble therefore saying it would come from our fans?
They played Blues, trouble, they played Chelsea, trouble, they played United, trouble.
Was that because of the "English disease"?
Or maybe The people from those cities were the most blighted by Republican terrorism didn't take to kindly to patronising songs about Irish liberation meaning their fellow people being murdered sang about in some sort of romantic way that they were all the problem.
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You can talk about the peoples differences all you like, and yes there are differences.
But tell me the difference between these two clips ?
It's just a load of football fans, some from England and some from Scotland, offering up their support to a Bulgarian guy and his family.
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How come Celtic have played against plenty of English teams over the last 5/10 years with no trouble? Are those saying there would be trouble therefore saying it would come from our fans?
Really no trouble , mmmmm look on well known sites such as YouTube and I
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Mind you, I can imagine the behaviour of some of the brain surgeons who follow us if we played in Glasgow.
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How come Celtic have played against plenty of English teams over the last 5/10 years with no trouble? Are those saying there would be trouble therefore saying it would come from our fans?
They played Blues, trouble, they played Chelsea, trouble, they played United, trouble.
Was that because of the "English disease"?
Or maybe The people from those cities were the most blighted by Republican terrorism didn't take to kindly to patronising songs about Irish liberation meaning their fellow people being murdered sang about in some sort of romantic way that they were all the problem.
English disease?
Did they play Blues in the last 5/10 years? Was there trouble with Utd? Chelsea Celtic is always going to go off but purely because links between Rangers and Chelsea.
I was at the Ricoh when Cov played Celtic and no trouble whatsoever I also know there was no trouble when they played Man City.
Personally I would prefer to Bulgaria or a world xi
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You can talk about the peoples differences all you like, and yes there are differences.
But tell me the difference between these two clips ?
It's just a load of football fans, some from England and some from Scotland, offering up their support to a Bulgarian guy and his family.
Wonderful . and that how it should be. but you have to understand it is different when the inevitable politics will become involved.
Just out interest were these peaceful happy clappers not recently fined for crowd behaviour in Europe this year?
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How come Celtic have played against plenty of English teams over the last 5/10 years with no trouble? Are those saying there would be trouble therefore saying it would come from our fans?
They played Blues, trouble, they played Chelsea, trouble, they played United, trouble.
Was that because of the "English disease"?
Or maybe The people from those cities were the most blighted by Republican terrorism didn't take to kindly to patronising songs about Irish liberation meaning their fellow people being murdered sang about in some sort of romantic way that they were all the problem.
English disease?
Did they play Blues in the last 5/10 years? Was there trouble with Utd? Chelsea Celtic is always going to go off but purely because links between Rangers and Chelsea.
I was at the Ricoh when Cov played Celtic and no trouble whatsoever I also know there was no trouble when they played Man City.
Personally I would prefer to Bulgaria or a world xi
Yes there was trouble with United. Yes there was trouble with Blues.
3 main cities that bore the brunt of sectarian ignorance.
Perhaps you are right, welcome them down. Though I guarantee you one thing, There will be Brummies who will react to IRA songs, then you can give them all a knowing look and say, behave.
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How come Celtic have played against plenty of English teams over the last 5/10 years with no trouble? Are those saying there would be trouble therefore saying it would come from our fans?
They played Blues, trouble, they played Chelsea, trouble, they played United, trouble.
Was that because of the "English disease"?
Or maybe The people from those cities were the most blighted by Republican terrorism didn't take to kindly to patronising songs about Irish liberation meaning their fellow people being murdered sang about in some sort of romantic way that they were all the problem.
English disease?
Did they play Blues in the last 5/10 years? Was there trouble with Utd? Chelsea Celtic is always going to go off but purely because links between Rangers and Chelsea.
I was at the Ricoh when Cov played Celtic and no trouble whatsoever I also know there was no trouble when they played Man City.
Personally I would prefer to Bulgaria or a world xi
Yes there was trouble with United. Yes there was trouble with Blues.
3 main cities that bore the brunt of sectarian ignorance.
Perhaps you are right, welcome them down. Though I guarantee you one thing, There will be Brummies who will react to IRA songs, then you can give them all a knowing look and say, behave.
The trouble you talk of with Utd when was this? The Blues friendly was in 1976 now i was -2 at the time but wasnt violence at football the norm then?
Sunny Villa - as far as I know they got done for a "fuck uefa" banner and letting of flares
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How come Celtic have played against plenty of English teams over the last 5/10 years with no trouble? Are those saying there would be trouble therefore saying it would come from our fans?
They played Blues, trouble, they played Chelsea, trouble, they played United, trouble.
Was that because of the "English disease"?
Or maybe The people from those cities were the most blighted by Republican terrorism didn't take to kindly to patronising songs about Irish liberation meaning their fellow people being murdered sang about in some sort of romantic way that they were all the problem.
English disease?
Did they play Blues in the last 5/10 years? Was there trouble with Utd? Chelsea Celtic is always going to go off but purely because links between Rangers and Chelsea.
I was at the Ricoh when Cov played Celtic and no trouble whatsoever I also know there was no trouble when they played Man City.
Personally I would prefer to Bulgaria or a world xi
Yes there was trouble with United. Yes there was trouble with Blues.
3 main cities that bore the brunt of sectarian ignorance.
Perhaps you are right, welcome them down. Though I guarantee you one thing, There will be Brummies who will react to IRA songs, then you can give them all a knowing look and say, behave.
The trouble you talk of with Utd when was this? The Blues friendly was in 1976 now i was -2 at the time but wasnt violence at football the norm then?
Sunny Villa - as far as I know they got done for a "fuck uefa" banner and letting of flares
Blues played Celtic about 10 years ago at St Andrews, I believe Birmingham won. I also know that Digbeth was awash with Celtic fans signing IRA songs who then got battered.
Man Utd have played them a few times and their last visit to Old Trafford ended in the same.
I am not sure why you are trying to question the reality of Brummies not taking to kindly to a crowd of IRA supporting scum coming to Villa Park.
Go on YouTube and google Celtic IRA songs, you will find videos of their supporters in England singing behind police lines.
They are not welcome in my book and I guarantee trouble because most Brummies still remember the atrocities the IRA caused to many Brummie families. Songs glorying that fact will ensure unrest.
That is not welcome at VillavPark, unless you believe otherwise?
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How come Celtic have played against plenty of English teams over the last 5/10 years with no trouble? Are those saying there would be trouble therefore saying it would come from our fans?
They played Blues, trouble, they played Chelsea, trouble, they played United, trouble.
Was that because of the "English disease"?
Or maybe The people from those cities were the most blighted by Republican terrorism didn't take to kindly to patronising songs about Irish liberation meaning their fellow people being murdered sang about in some sort of romantic way that they were all the problem.
English disease?
Did they play Blues in the last 5/10 years? Was there trouble with Utd? Chelsea Celtic is always going to go off but purely because links between Rangers and Chelsea.
I was at the Ricoh when Cov played Celtic and no trouble whatsoever I also know there was no trouble when they played Man City.
Personally I would prefer to Bulgaria or a world xi
Yes there was trouble with United. Yes there was trouble with Blues.
3 main cities that bore the brunt of sectarian ignorance.
Perhaps you are right, welcome them down. Though I guarantee you one thing, There will be Brummies who will react to IRA songs, then you can give them all a knowing look and say, behave.
The trouble you talk of with Utd when was this? The Blues friendly was in 1976 now i was -2 at the time but wasnt violence at football the norm then?
Sunny Villa - as far as I know they got done for a "fuck uefa" banner and letting of flares
Blues played Celtic about 10 years ago at St Andrews, I believe Birmingham won. I also know that Digbeth was awash with Celtic fans signing IRA songs who then got battered.
Man Utd have played them a few times and their last visit to Old Trafford ended in the same.
I am not sure why you are trying to question the reality of Brummies not taking to kindly to a crowd of IRA supporting scum coming to Villa Park.
Go on YouTube and google Celtic IRA songs, you will find videos of their supporters in England singing behind police lines.
They are not welcome in my book and I guarantee trouble because most Brummies still remember the atrocities the IRA caused to many Brummie families. Songs glorying that fact will ensure unrest.
That is not welcome at VillavPark, unless you believe otherwise?
100% spot on mate - politics and sport shouldn't mix in any form, but that's the world we live in!! 100% behind Stan fighting this shit disease... but to invite {a few} pro IRA cowards down to Brum to mix with {a few} pro-IRA cowards would be to sully the memory of the FORGOTTEN 21, and yes I know the irony oxymoron content of my post!!
GET WELL SOON STAN!!
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As I said before look at YouTube and see as well as others.
If they are prepared to sing inflammatory songs at Chelsea and Man U they will do the same.
Done its course this discussion, but unless you understand it and have witnessed the anti British Vitriol then the thoughts I am putting forward are wasted
For the record I am another half Irish catholic, before any of the generalists kick in
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How come Celtic have played against plenty of English teams over the last 5/10 years with no trouble? Are those saying there would be trouble therefore saying it would come from our fans?
They played Blues, trouble, they played Chelsea, trouble, they played United, trouble.
Was that because of the "English disease"?
Or maybe The people from those cities were the most blighted by Republican terrorism didn't take to kindly to patronising songs about Irish liberation meaning their fellow people being murdered sang about in some sort of romantic way that they were all the problem.
English disease?
Did they play Blues in the last 5/10 years? Was there trouble with Utd? Chelsea Celtic is always going to go off but purely because links between Rangers and Chelsea.
I was at the Ricoh when Cov played Celtic and no trouble whatsoever I also know there was no trouble when they played Man City.
Personally I would prefer to Bulgaria or a world xi
Yes there was trouble with United. Yes there was trouble with Blues.
3 main cities that bore the brunt of sectarian ignorance.
Perhaps you are right, welcome them down. Though I guarantee you one thing, There will be Brummies who will react to IRA songs, then you can give them all a knowing look and say, behave.
The trouble you talk of with Utd when was this? The Blues friendly was in 1976 now i was -2 at the time but wasnt violence at football the norm then?
Sunny Villa - as far as I know they got done for a "fuck uefa" banner and letting of flares
Blues played Celtic about 10 years ago at St Andrews, I believe Birmingham won. I also know that Digbeth was awash with Celtic fans signing IRA songs who then got battered.
Man Utd have played them a few times and their last visit to Old Trafford ended in the same.
I am not sure why you are trying to question the reality of Brummies not taking to kindly to a crowd of IRA supporting scum coming to Villa Park.
Go on YouTube and google Celtic IRA songs, you will find videos of their supporters in England singing behind police lines.
They are not welcome in my book and I guarantee trouble because most Brummies still remember the atrocities the IRA caused to many Brummie families. Songs glorying that fact will ensure unrest.
That is not welcome at VillavPark, unless you believe otherwise?
Obviously not, hence why i've said a couple of times on this thread ideally if such a match were to go ahead we should face Bulgaria or Sofia or even a select XI as it would be about raising as much cash for charity as possible.
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As I said before look at YouTube and see as well as others.
If they are prepared to sing inflammatory songs at Chelsea and Man U they will do the same.
Done its course this discussion, but unless you understand it and have witnessed the anti British Vitriol then the thoughts I am putting forward are wasted
For the record I am another half Irish catholic, before any of the generalists kick in
tbh mate, doesn't matter whether you're irish, catholic, protestant, scottish or english.... pro-ira scum come from everywhere {more likely the garyowen - plastic is/was all over that place!!} - and imo it's the 'generalists' that are the problem. more racist than a pint with the edl!! :(
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As I said before look at YouTube and see as well as others.
If they are prepared to sing inflammatory songs at Chelsea and Man U they will do the same.
Done its course this discussion, but unless you understand it and have witnessed the anti British Vitriol then the thoughts I am putting forward are wasted
For the record I am another half Irish catholic, before any of the generalists kick in
tbh mate, doesn't matter whether you're irish, catholic, protestant, scottish or english.... pro-ira scum come from everywhere {more likely the garyowen - plastic is/was all over that place!!} - and imo it's the 'generalists' that are the problem. more racist than a pint with the edl!! :(
There is no need for anyone on this board to justify themselves or their heritage.
Aston Villa has fans from many religious, political and ethnic backgrounds. We are not a political, religious nor racist club and I don't see why we should welcome a club to Villa Park that is, unless we have to.
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As I said before look at YouTube and see as well as others.
If they are prepared to sing inflammatory songs at Chelsea and Man U they will do the same.
Done its course this discussion, but unless you understand it and have witnessed the anti British Vitriol then the thoughts I am putting forward are wasted
For the record I am another half Irish catholic, before any of the generalists kick in
tbh mate, doesn't matter whether you're irish, catholic, protestant, scottish or english.... pro-ira scum come from everywhere {more likely the garyowen - plastic is/was all over that place!!} - and imo it's the 'generalists' that are the problem. more racist than a pint with the edl!! :(
There is no need for anyone on this board to justify themselves or their heritage.
Aston Villa has fans from many religious, political and ethnic backgrounds. We are not a political, religious nor racist club and I don't see why we should welcome a club to Villa Park that is, unless we have to.
you're right mate.
my point was to enforce sunny villa's before the rhetoric started {again} ::)
hate to see politics in sport, or music... but the PC brigade would be up in arms if neither were not allowed....
anyhow, fcuk it.... Villa and Proud.... UTV
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As I said before look at YouTube and see as well as others.
If they are prepared to sing inflammatory songs at Chelsea and Man U they will do the same.
Done its course this discussion, but unless you understand it and have witnessed the anti British Vitriol then the thoughts I am putting forward are wasted
For the record I am another half Irish catholic, before any of the generalists kick in
tbh mate, doesn't matter whether you're irish, catholic, protestant, scottish or english.... pro-ira scum come from everywhere {more likely the garyowen - plastic is/was all over that place!!} - and imo it's the 'generalists' that are the problem. more racist than a pint with the edl!! :(
There is no need for anyone on this board to justify themselves or their heritage.
Aston Villa has fans from many religious, political and ethnic backgrounds. We are not a political, religious nor racist club and I don't see why we should welcome a club to Villa Park that is, unless we have to.
you're right mate.
my point was to enforce sunny villa's before the rhetoric started {again} ::)
hate to see politics in sport, or music... but the PC brigade would be up in arms if neither were not allowed....
anyhow, fcuk it.... Villa and Proud.... UTV
Sound mate. But politics in music is allowed as its then personal choice. Some of the best music coming out of England from mid 70s to min 80s was politically driven. We didn't have to listen to it but chose to if we wanted to. Football has more of a heritage factor and it will always cause discontent amongst good mates if it's allowed to prevail.
I did not choose Aston Villa, it chose me and I have some of my best and most loyal friends because of it and we all have different political and religious views.
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Let's just go up there then, no problem. Good weekend away.
Besides, Villa Park will be staging ManU or City v Liverpool/Everton/Spurs or Chelsea the week before the season starts. It might not down too well with police or local residents if with have Celtic as summer visitors as well.
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Paulie and Villadelphia have got it spot on, it would be a Stan-centric love-in.
But I can't help feeling that people like (hasn't got a)scoobydoo and VillaBlobby would love to turn up to try and re-enact a live equivalent of a bullet through the post to make their hate-filled prophecy come true.
Oh, and BTW, there are some neo-nazi white supremacists down the Villa, I can guarantee you that.
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So now we've got rid of the pro-IRA scum, can we get rid of all those who support the British army, guilty of the terrible actions during Bloody Sunday and other acts of state-sponsored terrorism. Perhaps we can call them scum as well, just to be consistent.
In the meantime, all good wishes to Stan.
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What a fucking depressing thread this turned out to be.
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What a fucking depressing thread this turned out to be.
It's a bit fucking depressing, really, isn't it, when you consider the aim of the thread originally.