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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Merv on March 09, 2012, 03:28:15 PM
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This has been released by Futebol Finance... the top 30 football coaches, ranked by annual salary...
http://www.futebolfinance.com/os-30-maiores-salarios-de-treinadores-de-futebol-2012http://
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JESUS!
McShit is in there.
The madness of it all, as if you could ever say he's one of the 30 best Managers in the world.
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He's in the top 20?!
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Bloody hell
How is he in the top 30 at all..I'd take any manager below in that list
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He gets paid more than the Juve, Inter and AC Milan coaches???!!!???
Somebody please tell me that's a mistake.
I wouldn't give him the steam off my piss.
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What a Joke. No wonder he won't walk away and Randy can't sack him>
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Have you seen the amount Doh'Neill is supposed to be on?
Greg Nash will shit blood when he sees it.
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QPR paying Mark Hughes a fortune as well and they are in real trouble this season.
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Incredulity over McLeish aside, it also demonstrates the salary levels of PL coaches compared to contemporaries in other leagues - QPR boss earning more than Juventus and Milan coaches.
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Have you seen the amount Doh'Neill is supposed to be on?
Greg Nash will shit blood when he sees it.
In proportion to what we are paying McLeish, that looks like a bargain.
He really did win the lottery when Randy offered him the job didn't he. Fucking hell
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Have you seen the amount Doh'Neill is supposed to be on?
Greg Nash will shit blood when he sees it.
In proportion to what we are paying McLeish, that looks like a bargain.
He really did win the lottery when Randy offered him the job didn't he. Fucking hell
Whopping pay off from us then top dollar from Sunderland.
I hope he's looked after his journo bum buddies who have always portrayed him as a managerial genius.
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How the hell is wee Jimmy Krankie on the same as Fergie? Absolute madness.
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how much is the Bilbao manager on? I want him
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Absolute madness
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Joachim Loew is on the same as Eck. Vicente Del Bosque is on less. Both of which are fantastic managers that I would give anything to have as manager. Neither of which has 'Premier League experience'
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Faulkner will boast about us reaching the dizzy heights of a list.
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Where would Capello have ranked in that list?
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Where would Capello have ranked in that list?
Sixth
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Ah another joke, good stuff.
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I'm sure there are male escorts out there who can fuck us in the arse for a lot less.
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Blimey. And i thought we had McLeish because he was on bargain basement wages.
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Im sure paying that kind of money , more managers would have been interested .
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Amazing............ although it mostly shows how well managers in England are paid compared to those on the continent.
The Villa job (according to that list) is the 10th best paid in English football - around what you might expect, which begs the question........ surely that make it easier to attract a top, top European coach rather than Average Alex from accross the road?
EDIT- Oh no, I forgot - you need premiership experience to manage Villa.
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This is a shock, but bear in mind that Eck knows he will never ever receive a wins bonus nor a fat fee for achieving, say, a cup win or an unexpectedly high final league position and the poor fella has a wife and mortgage to support. Given his 2/3 track record, Faulkner shoulda offered him a bonus for avoiding relegation, though.
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The truly scary thing on that list is how many players at each club earn more.
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Faulkner shoulda offered him a bonus for avoiding relegation, though.
How do we know he hasn't?
I'm betting that avoiding relegation will be seen as a success by the fools in charge.
Might explain the ultra negative style of football.
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Looking at that list, I can see why the Club didnt go for David Moyes - Although it would have been money better spent IMO
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How the hell is wee Jimmy Krankie on the same as Fergie? Absolute madness.
I spotted that, too. Incredible. So incredible that I just can't see it being true - if it is then I reckon Liverpool's US owners are as naive and out of touch as our own.
Just looking at the top whack the Premier League managers are on is enlightening. Surely we could get a quality continental coach on board for relative buttons?
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The list shows four things, mainly:
1) How far ahead Barca and Real are financially, not just of the rest of Spain (Qatari-owned Malaga are the only other Spanish club on the list), but of everyone else as well.
2) The Premier League are continuing their classic problem (you could call it MON Syndrome) of over-paying a lot of very average dross by clubs who can't really afford it.
3) Brazil remain so far ahead of the rest of South America financially. Not even the Boca or Estudiantes coaches get on that list, yet there are plenty of Brazilian clubs there (no River either, obviously).
4) Our board have really dropped a massive one with this appointment.
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Houllier was on closer to £4 million apparently. @.@
So yes, McLeish was the 'cheaper' option when compared to the previous salary.
Still scandalous, mind.
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This is a shock, but bear in mind that Eck knows he will never ever receive a wins bonus nor a fat fee for achieving, say, a cup win or an unexpectedly high final league position and the poor fella has a wife and mortgage to support. Given his 2/3 track record, Faulkner shoulda offered him a bonus for avoiding relegation, though.
I reckon he gets a 10k bonus for a 0 0 draw
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Faulkner out.
McLeish was facing a season in the Champ with no mone and disillusioned fans after his blood. No other PL club wanted his services.
A salary of a third of that would have been more than generous - where else was he going?
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This is sickening. I can list 20 managers better than McLeish that we could have signed. The fact that by the end of his 3 year contract he would have cost us £9m in wages and compensation is ludicrous.
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We seem to negotiate contracts in a fashion that seems to involve asking someone what they want, then doubling it to seal the deal.
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JESUS!
McShit is in there.
The madness of it all, as if you could ever say he's one of the 30 best Managers in the world.
He should be paying us to be our manager I think.
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Oh Randy, why?
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I demand the Bilbao manager . Hes a nutter but I love the football and I can start enjoying Villa again ....
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I demand the Bilbao manager . Hes a nutter but I love the football and I can start enjoying Villa again ....
My favourite manager working at the moment. If we sign him, I'd go mental with joy.
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We seem to negotiate contracts in a fashion that seems to involve asking someone what they want, then doubling it to seal the deal.
And then paying Small Heath another 3 mill on top FFS >:( >:( >:(
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I wonder how it might have been if we'd had Maradona instead of Houllier.
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I demand the Bilbao manager . Hes a nutter but I love the football and I can start enjoying Villa again ....
My favourite manager working at the moment. If we sign him, I'd go mental with joy.
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cheaper than the scottish clown ...
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I wonder how it might have been if we'd had Maradona instead of Houllier.
We'd have signed Messi!
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Man U getting a bargain
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I feel physically sick. Jesus wept.
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The truly scary thing on that list is how many players at each club earn more.
30 yerars
My first thought. But players are on top money for 6-10 years at most. The ttop managers, such as Sir Alex and Wenger, have been/will be there for 30ish years. Still a silly amount for managing 30 people in what are, by most industrial/commercial comparisons, medium sized companies at best.
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I demand the Bilbao manager . Hes a nutter but I love the football and I can start enjoying Villa again ....
My favourite manager working at the moment. If we sign him, I'd go mental with joy.
Have you read this (and the various comments and anecdotes below the article).
http://tinyurl.com/7jseomx
and this:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/oct/03/athletic-bilbao-la-liga
The guy sounds awesome but I fear he would be a disaster at Villa. I just do not think the players or the fans would allow him enough time to develop his ideas.
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Maybe , but we have already got the biggest disaster since Billy , shite just thought , another scottish manager ... they have not been any good since George Ramsay
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It puts to bed the notion that Villa couldn't attract a top European Coach.
No wonder David Moyes won't leave Everton for the likes of Villa.
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I demand the Bilbao manager . Hes a nutter but I love the football and I can start enjoying Villa again ....
My favourite manager working at the moment. If we sign him, I'd go mental with joy.
Have you read this (and the various comments and anecdotes below the article).
http://tinyurl.com/7jseomx
and this:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/oct/03/athletic-bilbao-la-liga
The guy sounds awesome but I fear he would be a disaster at Villa. I just do not think the players or the fans would allow him enough time to develop his ideas.
In my view he'd be a Summer Appointment Guy. You'd need to allow him to sell everyone who can't do his football, because his football is better than our rubbish players.
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He is on a salary 100 times average villa fan, at least he does get a win bonus very often!
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I demand the Bilbao manager . Hes a nutter but I love the football and I can start enjoying Villa again ....
My favourite manager working at the moment. If we sign him, I'd go mental with joy.
Have you read this (and the various comments and anecdotes below the article).
http://tinyurl.com/7jseomx
and this:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/oct/03/athletic-bilbao-la-liga
The guy sounds awesome but I fear he would be a disaster at Villa. I just do not think the players or the fans would allow him enough time to develop his ideas.
Now this is how we should be playing
Bielsa insists on a more creative, more intense approach, in which winning back possession must be done rapidly – and high up the pitch. He talks of the value in squeezing the game into a 25-metre area.
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Bielsa's teams have all played exciting stuff, I can't remember his preferred formation but it is hugely attacking. It would be great to watch.
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Bielsa's teams have all played exciting stuff, I can't remember his preferred formation but it is hugely attacking. It would be great to watch.
It's this mental 3-3-1-3, where his wingers play as high up the pitch as wingers did in the 50s. Come to think of it, his centre backs pretty much play as high up the pitch as wingers did in the 50s.
My favourite image of Bielsa is one where he's watching a Chile World Cup qualifying match, crouching low to the ground with a big polysterene cup of pure espresso (later confirmed), just staring. Life would be fun with him around.
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the board would never go for someone leftfield like Bielsa . What a shame.
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I don't think he'd leave Bilbao
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I don't think he'd leave Bilbao
and McLeish leave Villa ;(
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I don't think he'd leave Bilbao
and McLeish leave Villa ;(
Even when villa and McLeish do eventually part company, we'll not be fully shot of him...
"come on Alex, stop hiding in the cupboard, it's been two years now, we don't want you here anymore, go home."
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Doesn't have Premier League experience, of course. Madness that, under our board's current stipulations for the job, Terry Connor qualifies ahead of Marcelo Bielsa.
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Mind boggles! Moyse and Hughes on 3.6M Euros!
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Mind boggles! Moyse and Hughes on 3.6M Euros!
Kind of ironic that Moyes was saying that everyone in football should take a 20% pay cut and then a week later we read he's arguably the best paid coach of all the also ran teams.
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Can't believe McLeish is on £40k p/w. When he talked about not being able to turn down the offer to manage us, I thought he was talking about a bigger club, prestige etc... He must have thought Faulkner and Randy were taking the piss out of him, I bet he was too scared to say, "Really?" in case they both went, "ahhhhhhhh, wanker" and were secretly filming him candid camera style, so they could screen the footage on match days to make the fans laugh!
Well Mr McLeish I have a cunning plan for you. Why don't you give up your £40k p/w wages to release funds for a decent player. You could put yourself on performance related pay if you like, but lets face it you'd end up owing money to the club, maybe you could take it out of the £4.5m we've wasted on your services so far!
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Doesn't have Premier League experience, of course. Madness that, under our board's current stipulations for the job, Terry Connor qualifies ahead of Marcelo Bielsa.
I know Monty . McLeish has got it and look where that has got us .
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McLiesh is in there with the likes of Joachim Low, Hitzfeld and ahead of Claudio Ranieri, are we completely absolutely stark raving mad, don't get me wrong I'm well aware if your a complete twat you can make it big in the UK, in fact if its not on your CV leave the country, but this is utter madness, when you think the manager of Athletico who just beat Man U at there's isn't even on there and neither is Flores and many more including the manager of the side we are about to kick of against, just crazy madness.
........and we wonder why there is no money for players and lets not forget we paid for the privilege of this manager.
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As lovely as it would be I don't think Bielsa would be the right choice for us. As much as I love mentalists do you really think that our players would be able to stand that level of perfectionism or attention to detail? They are behind McLeish fully because he is exactly the kind of comfort zone manager they love to play for who doesn't ask that much from them. If we appointed Bielsa I reckon we would have a level of mutiny within weeks that would make the Houllier reign look like an exemplary model of industrial relations. And there's no way that Lerner would fund a new squad who would fit his ethos even if we did appoint him. And there's no way we will appoint him because he lacks premier league experience and a personal recommendation letter from Ferguson (I doubt he'd get one after Thursday night) and McLeish is here to stay anyway. :(
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The Bielsa pipe-dream does hinge on selling practically all those comfort-zone players. I have a feeling the younger players would respond to his attacking madness.
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As lovely as it would be I don't think Bielsa would be the right choice for us. As much as I love mentalists do you really think that our players would be able to stand that level of perfectionism or attention to detail? They are behind McLeish fully because he is exactly the kind of comfort zone manager they love to play for who doesn't ask that much from them. If we appointed Bielsa I reckon we would have a level of mutiny within weeks that would make the Houllier reign look like an exemplary model of industrial relations. And there's no way that Lerner would fund a new squad who would fit his ethos even if we did appoint him. And there's no way we will appoint him because he lacks premier league experience and a personal recommendation letter from Ferguson (I doubt he'd get one after Thursday night) and McLeish is here to stay anyway. :(
The point I was getting at was not that we should aspire to a manager like Marcelo Bielsa, but that is a good example of how we are paying way over the top for a manager that simply isn't fit to stand in the company he is holding on that pay scale, and also a classic example of how when you get a good thinker and a good football brain you can turn a provincial side into pretty much world beaters using local home grown talent, same with Flores and many many others.
I wouldn't agree the players are behind him and its only a matter of time, be it a very bad result or unrest with the fans that will be the straw that breaks the camels back and he's gone, and I doubt the players will give him a second thought.
Anyway C'mon you Villa boys ;)
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Imagine if our managers name was the same as the Corinthians manager. Come to think of it most of us have probably called him one anyway!
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edit.