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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: MonsXI on March 06, 2012, 05:11:14 PM
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Apparently he has offered to walk out of his contract with Rangers (one of 3 senior players to do so) and we are in pole position to sign him up. Impeccable source that I wont be naming.
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Interesting
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Is this in the loan window or do we have to wait until the next transfer window?
Alternatively, does this only apply on FIFA12?
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Not keen, but central midfield is rather weak.
I'd give him a short term contract.
If no good, then warm his heels to Bromford Bridge.
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Makes sense, with the cuts going on up there.
Any more of their players worth taking a punt on?
We were linked with McGregor during GH's time here. With Guzan likely to depart, that might be an option.
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I'd give him a short term deal
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Can we merge this with the "Rangers cast offs thread".......please ??
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I'd like to see Davis come back even if it was just on a short term deal and give him a chance to earn a longer deal.
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What is their left back like?
I would imagine our scouts are picking over the Rangers carcass as we speak.
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What is their left back like?
I would imagine our scouts are picking over the Rangers carcass as we speak.
Carcass being the word!
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What is their left back like?
I would imagine our scouts are picking over the Rangers carcass as we speak.
Papac is a steady Eddie. Wallace their other left back was a promising player at Herarts but I think injuries have taken their toll on him.
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I can see him keeping Heskey out of our team.
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I don't know what their full backs are like, or even what their names are, but we'll have them both.
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I can see him keeping Heskey out of our team.
Sign him up!
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We have already been linked with Wallace for a summer move, think we could be in for 2-3 of them. Naismith comes to mind too.
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We have already been linked with Wallace for a summer move, think we could be in for 2-3 of them. Naismith comes to mind too.
I've got a great idea for the post-signing photocall. Instead of holding up scarves, get them to dress up as sausages and jump out of a frying pan and into a huge fire in the VP centre circle
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As soon as I'd heard Rangers players were leaving today this one sprang to mind. I don't particularly rate him but he could be an extra option, can't really lose. Sign him up, if it doesn't work sell him on and get a fee.
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Davis makes some sense if he is free. He is a decent player, and we are not exactly blessed in the centre of the park. He has also captained Rangers for the last couple of seasons so must have some leadership qualities. Is Edu a holding midfield player? With our complete lack of funds and quality in midfield I would take them both if wages were fairly low.
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A better player than some people on here give him credit for.
A good pass, good pace, good footballer.The only reason why MON got rid of him was because he said he was'nt big enough.That mentality has now changed.I always thought Steven Davis could become a Scholesy kind of player.He has it in him to be a good player.
On a free its a no brainer to me.
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I don't know what their full backs are like, or even what their names are, but we'll have them both.
Does Jim Baxter still play for them!
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The players that have definitely been let go are Gregg Wylde (academy) and Mervan Cellick who is a Swedish U21 player. Basically the players union up there reached an agreement with the club over pay cuts. Being as Davis is the team captain it would be a shock if he left the club my mutual consent. Rangers still need to keep a core group so that the club remains attractive for any prospective buyer.
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i think it is a great idea to return to the dolly days! not!
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I dunno, I'd take a defence of Delaney, Mellberg, Laursen and Bouma now!
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Whittaker can play both full back positions can't he? Always looked o.k for Scotland...mind you so did Hutton!
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I don't know what their full backs are like, or even what their names are, but we'll have them both.
Brilliant!...and so very true.
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Should be right up AM's street, ex Gers players for next to nothing.
It's where Villa are now, lower quality players from North of the Border. They will probably be alright in the Championship. ::)
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Pretty soon Randy will rename the club Averageston Villa. Brilliant.
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If we signed Davis I think i'd have to sit down as the excitement would be too much.
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I don't know what their full backs are like, or even what their names are, but we'll have them both.
Brilliant!...and so very true.
Yes, very well played paulie.
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Can't see Davis being released from his contract. He is a club asset, under contract and one of the few players they could sell on in the summer. I'm afraid we are more likely to get the tea lady on a free........
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I've got a great idea for the post-signing photocall. Instead of holding up scarves, get them to dress up as sausages and jump out of a frying pan and into a huge fire in the VP centre circle
Been lolling at this for a minute or so now.
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Can't see Davis being released from his contract. He is a club asset, under contract and one of the few players they could sell on in the summer. I'm afraid we are more likely to get the tea lady on a free........
She can't be any worse than Hutton at full back...
She might get a bit closer to opposition forwards in the box.
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Whittaker can play both full back positions can't he? Always looked o.k for Scotland...mind you so did Hutton!
Whittaker is shit.
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Davis was a Fulham sub last time I seriously paid attention to him. A Fulham sub and a starter at Rangers is about par right? Would prefer Fulham's new midfield sub Mo Diarra in that case.
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Not sure why some people are being sniffy about him. He was POTY in DOL's team and this one isn't much much better, in fact the midfield is arguably worse
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Would take him as a squad player... but he wont be a squad player, he'll likely be Stephen Irelands replacement.
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A better player than some people on here give him credit for.
A good pass, good pace, good footballer.The only reason why MON got rid of him was because he said he was'nt big enough.That mentality has now changed.I always thought Steven Davis could become a Scholesy kind of player.He has it in him to be a good player.
On a free its a no brainer to me.
So what was Uncle Woys reason for getting shot from Fulham considering he had less chance to be swayed by English ways of coaching.
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Not sure Davis is any better than Bannan. Can be quite anonymous at times. I don't think he'd actually add anything to the squad other than being another option.
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bannon's done nowt of note. He certainly won't win POTY this season -all our youngsters are untried and to be fair they're probably being put in the deep end but they haven't looked any great shakes to me so far. Herd's been about the best IMO but i can't seeing the rest being upto the mark for a good year or 2 yet if ever
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Not sure why some people are being sniffy about him. He was POTY in DOL's team and this one isn't much much better, in fact the midfield is arguably worse
He peaked that year and has gone on to do little at a decent level since.
You're right, our midfield is bereft of experience but I'd rather stick with Herd/Gardner/Clark.
I'd worry that the trend of McLeish buying his dodgy old players having started with Hutton will continue.
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He certainly won't win POTY this season
Keane will... this depresses me.
He also deserves it.... Which depresses me even more.
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How completely underwhelming.
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Please no more players from the SPL, things are wank enough as they are.
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Although it would not be the disasterous move people are making out, I can't see it happening and the reports this morning suggest that some kind of deal may be reached to secure the wage drop needed.
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Please no more players from the SPL, things are wank enough as they are.
Sums it up for me. Why cant we get cheap players from elsewhere? Other clubs seem to manage it and end up with some decent player. Do we have any kind of scouting network? I'm beginning to doubt it.
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Not overly happy don't think he's up to much, but if he comes back good luck to him.
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Although it would not be the disasterous move people are making out, I can't see it happening and the reports this morning suggest that some kind of deal may be reached to secure the wage drop needed.
There was something on the news last night saying the players had agreed in principle and then the agents came wading in and said no. I don't know if that has been resolved.
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Davis has left Rangers according to five live this morning along with two others whose names were largely meaningless to me.
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Rangers second largest share holder Dave King is now saying that winding up is inevitable, so if we hold on for a couple of weeks we'll be able to ship the whole squad in for next to nothing. ;)
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I read today that Steven Davis is thought to be on 28k a week at Rangers.
That is surely a gigantic salary for Scotland, and explains a lot about how they've ended up in this mess?
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I read today that Steven Davis is thought to be on 28k a week at Rangers.
That is surely a gigantic salary for Scotland, and explains a lot about how they've ended up in this mess?
Ridiculous.
I'm not keen anyway, but I wouldn't give him that wage here.
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So he was asked to take a 75% pay cut which would have put him on a 'pittance' of £7k per week.
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I read today that Steven Davis is thought to be on 28k a week at Rangers.
That is surely a gigantic salary for Scotland, and explains a lot about how they've ended up in this mess?
Ridiculous.
I'm not keen anyway, but I wouldn't give him that wage here.
28k per week in the premiership is peanuts - he's worth that when others are on twice that amount at Villa Park
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So he was asked to take a 75% pay cut which would have put him on a 'pittance' of £7k per week.
Yes but if his agent was insisting on his 10% or 15% of the pre-paycut amount, that might have been an issue.
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Trouble is any Rangers player leaving will probably on Champs League bonus's etc which would have to be factored in to his new club deal....but if he's been made redundant then they lose their bargining position somewhat, unless a few clubs are interested.
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Friday is the day that an announcement will be made at Rangers, my source is adamant the Davis wont be at Ibrox next week. Mcleish is said to be interested and Davis would jump at the chance.
Also told that If Rangers don't find a buyer in next 6 to 8 weeks they wont be able to fulfil rest of seasons fixtures.
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Not sure why there is so much negativity towards the potential signing of Davis. Ok, he wasnt the best when he left and never really fulfilled his potential at Fulham but he seems to have matured while playing at Rangers and is the captain.
Alot of us, including me, were against the signing of Keave on a short term deal but he proved to be a hit. Whats not to say that Davis could be just as influencial? just a thought and I could be wrong but I think players should be given a chance at least. A short term deal until the end of the season should be considered and if it doesnt work out, at least he will be off the wage bill come the summer.
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Not sure why there is so much negativity towards the potential signing of Davis. Ok, he wasnt the best when he left and never really fulfilled his potential at Fulham but he seems to have matured while playing at Rangers and is the captain.
Alot of us, including me, were against the signing of Keave on a short term deal but he proved to be a hit. Whats not to say that Davis could be just as influencial? just a thought and I could be wrong but I think players should be given a chance at least. A short term deal until the end of the season should be considered and if it doesnt work out, at least he will be off the wage bill come the summer.
because it is somewhat fashionable to be underwhelmed and cynical at everything the club does right now. Much of it justified, but even the stuff that doesn't mean a whole heck of a lot in the grand scheme of things is bashed and battered. If Davis returns he wouldn't be coming in to lead the charge towards CL glory. We have to remember where we are as a club right now, and a player that is captain of his team, that would love to play for us again, and essentially at this time have exactly the right attitude we need shouldn't be dismissed so readily.
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Not sure why there is so much negativity towards the potential signing of Davis. Ok, he wasnt the best when he left and never really fulfilled his potential at Fulham but he seems to have matured while playing at Rangers and is the captain.
Alot of us, including me, were against the signing of Keave on a short term deal but he proved to be a hit. Whats not to say that Davis could be just as influencial? just a thought and I could be wrong but I think players should be given a chance at least. A short term deal until the end of the season should be considered and if it doesnt work out, at least he will be off the wage bill come the summer.
because it is somewhat fashionable to be underwhelmed and cynical at everything the club does right now. Much of it justified, but even the stuff that doesn't mean a whole heck of a lot in the grand scheme of things is bashed and battered. If Davis returns he wouldn't be coming in to lead the charge towards CL glory. We have to remember where we are as a club right now, and a player that is captain of his team, that would love to play for us again, and essentially at this time have exactly the right attitude we need shouldn't be dismissed so readily.
Spot on. I think some of us still think its 2008.
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I can see the merits of signing Davis as we stand now. We're pretty light in midfield and our options to strengthen immediately are very limited. Don't think he's the style of midfielder we need - not far off what Ireland and Bannan provide - but I won't grumble if he signs.
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I read today that Steven Davis is thought to be on 28k a week at Rangers.
That is surely a gigantic salary for Scotland, and explains a lot about how they've ended up in this mess?
When Lee McCulloch is on 20k a week at Rangers, Davis being on 28k doesn't look as bad.
I do agree with you though that these wages seem a lot for SPL, No wonder they are in serious trouble.
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Looks like he will have to take the 75% pay cut, initially the squad decided to act together but overnight certain players have decided to take the cut, obviously this leaves Davis and a few others in a situation where if the act in their own interests they'll get lambasted from all quarters.
Am trying to find out what changed the minds of Mcgregor and Naismith which basically forced the other players hands.
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be alright for west brom I reckon
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McLeish says he wouldn't feel comfortable going back to Rangers for players, and that Wylde's people gave been in touch but we haven't taken it any further.
If there was someone he wanted, and could afford, but he opted not to get them out of kindness to Rangers, that's worrying.
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Friday is the day that an announcement will be made at Rangers, my source is adamant the Davis wont be at Ibrox next week. Mcleish is said to be interested and Davis would jump at the chance.
Also told that If Rangers don't find a buyer in next 6 to 8 weeks they wont be able to fulfil rest of seasons fixtures.
When is he signing then mate.............
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I read today that Steven Davis is thought to be on 28k a week at Rangers.
That is surely a gigantic salary for Scotland, and explains a lot about how they've ended up in this mess?
Ridiculous.
I'm not keen anyway, but I wouldn't give him that wage here.
28k per week in the premiership is peanuts - he's worth that when others are on twice that amount at Villa Park
No chance, 28k for a squad player is daft money, I'd rather stick one of the kids on the bench instead.
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McLeish says he wouldn't feel comfortable going back to Rangers for players, and that Wylde's people gave been in touch but we haven't taken it any further.
If there was someone he wanted, and could afford, but he opted not to get them out of kindness to Rangers, that's worrying.
Don't forget we are a nice club as we won't have nasty managers anymore or force managers to do the dirty on their old clubs after what MON did to us. ( Don't mention trying to get AMc to hand in his notice and then happen to join us coincidentally after the chairman happened to be holidaying on the same island as him).
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It's the Villa way. Barf.
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Davis wouldnt be a squad player though.. thats the problem
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When he left us he hardly got in the fulham team then became a "God" in the pub league. So for me we need players who can hack it in the premier league or forget it, mediocre at best i'm afraid.
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When he left us he hardly got in the fulham team then became a "God" in the pub league. So for me we need players who can hack it in the premier league or forget it, mediocre at best i'm afraid.
He hacked it in the premier league or was voted that way by our own fans. I'm not saying he's the greatest midfielder since Milner but if he came on a free he's got to be at least useful FFS. Have you seen our midfield? and lets be honest pre-extreme age petrov spent his career before joining us in "a pub league"
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I don't know what people expect the club to do. A player's available, proven Premier League quality, stacks of first team experience and available for no fee, right now, to add to a squad that's crying out for fresh blood.
On second thoughts, it's a crap idea to do something positive. Let's not bother, eh?
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It's debatable that he is ''proven'' in the Premier League. He left us when we were a mid-table side cos he couldn't get games and he left Fulham, a mid-table side when he couldn't get games.
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The only thing he is proven to be is very average. Even in this struggling side, I don't see how he fits in.
Especially as there are youngsters with far more potential after the place he would have.
And 28k a week may be low by PL standards but its still a lot of money.
After a year of Steven Davis it's over a million pounds for instance. A ridiculous waste of resources and the kind of shit business that has put us in this mess.
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It's debatable that he is ''proven'' in the Premier League. He left us when we were a mid-table side cos he couldn't get games and he left Fulham, a mid-table side when he couldn't get games.
I think now that he's had time getting regular first team football, while captaining a side to trophies and the like should have molded him into a good player by now. I'd have no problem with him joining us, to give us a bit more of a creative outlet when Ireland decides not to show up, as he so frequently does.
This is what I remember him for.
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Maz when you gonna get the message we not gonna sign messi? Davis was a good player for us and I would prefer him tom some shite we had like sidwell.
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Isn't he one of those players who has agreed to take a 75% pay cut for them?
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Isn't he one of those players who has agreed to take a 75% pay cut for them?
He will have being as he's considered one of their 'stars'.
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I liked him and was disappointed when he was sold on, at the time.
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Maz when you gonna get the message we not gonna sign messi? Davis was a good player for us and I would prefer him tom some shite we had like sidwell.
Richard, please stop talking out of your anus and including me in the process.
I don't recall anywhere saying we are signing Messi, in fact I dont recall mentioning signing anybody in relation to Davis. What I did say was that I'd rather play the youngsters we have than resign Davis.
I dont agree Davis was a good player for us.
I think a few admittedly decent goals one season hid the fact that he is out of his depth in the Premier League.
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If I could pick between Gardner and Davis as a starting midfielder for the rest of the season, I'd pick Gardner in a heartbeat.
I don't agree with Maz on Davis' history. I thought he was good for us, I liked him when he was here.. but he's damn right about us having youngsters who can eclipse his ability and we should be playing them.
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Davis always looked promising but as a centre mid left us completely over ran in there. Mon realised this pretty quickly.
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Maz when you gonna get the message we not gonna sign messi? Davis was a good player for us and I would prefer him tom some shite we had like sidwell.
Richard, please stop talking out of your anus and including me in the process.
I don't recall anywhere saying we are signing Messi, in fact I dont recall mentioning signing anybody in relation to Davis. What I did say was that I'd rather play the youngsters we have than resign Davis.
I dont agree Davis was a good player for us.
I think a few admittedly decent goals one season hid the fact that he is out of his depth in the Premier League.
Quite agree Mazrim. Never did anything to convince me he was PL standard, and I'm not sure how several years in a mediocre two horse race would have changed that. I'm not yet convinced about Bannan, Albrighton or Gardner yet but I've seen more from all them than Davis ever showed.
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I agree with you Maz that Davis simply isn't good enough, but you're out of your tree if you think we'll get Messi.
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Davis always looked promising but as a centre mid left us completely over ran in there. Mon realised this pretty quickly.
Not sure if that was the reason for his dropping frankly. When MON was appointed a northern Ireland guy i know who socialised with the N.I. players predicted Davis and Hughes would be amongst the first out the door. They despised him and it was mutual by all accounts so whether Davis was good enough or not probably didn't come into the decision.
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Regardless, Matt is right. We were overrun in midfield when Davis was playing there.
A luxury that isnt really much of a luxury. Like Tesco Value bog roll.
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He's got a good first touch and plays a simple pass. He knows the league and area so you'd imagine he'd settle quickly.
If he's learnt some positional discipline in his time up north he'd be an asset. We've a fair few players in midfield that can keep the ball down, retain possession and play at a slower tempo (Ireland, N'Zogbia, Bannan, Petrov, Gardner) - Davis would add to that and hopefully it'd aid the change in style a little more.
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Steve Davis is not a nailed on first team starter. So we should stay with Gardner - Bannan - Herd who are as good if not better than Davis .......
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Bearing in mind it didn't take much to stand out in that shower of shit DOL was serving up at the time either.