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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Legion on July 15, 2011, 09:42:31 AM
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Phenomenal (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2393192,00.html)?
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Well his attitude was terrible, but I don't think we can afford to hold grudges. So if he sorts himself out then it's a position we don't need to fill.
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If Mcleish can sort Warnocks head out , it will only benefit the club..
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Well his attitude was terrible, but I don't think we can afford to hold grudges. So if he sorts himself out then it's a position we don't need to fill.
Agreed.
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Well his attitude was terrible, but I don't think we can afford to hold grudges. So if he sorts himself out then it's a position we don't need to fill.
Agreed.
yes clean slate time now, lets hope he performs well.
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I thought he's next on the line.
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Well his attitude was terrible, but I don't think we can afford to hold grudges. So if he sorts himself out then it's a position we don't need to fill.
Agreed.
yes clean slate time now, lets hope he performs well.
I also agree with you.
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I dont think his head needs that much sorting out...Houllier was such a clown that he seemed to go out of his way to not get on with players.
McLeish's comments dont surprise me in the slightest and having Warnock for LB means we can save time and money on improving other areas of the team.
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Before Hou was here - Warnock was becoming one of my favourite players. He always tried his hardest, covered well and was consistent. I have faith he'll return to form.
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Before any talk of rifts with Houllier, Warnock had spent six months being the definition of a liability at left back. If McLeish can sort that out, let alone his attitude, then I will be impressed.
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I can't think of many players who went from being so good (his first 4-6 months with the club) to so bad (his impression of a pub player ever since) almost overnight.
He was a liability before Houllier arrived IMO.
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Before any talk of rifts with Houllier, Warnock had spent six months being the definition of a liability at left back. If McLeish can sort that out, let alone his attitude, then I will be impressed.
Absolutely.
Let's not pretend he was amazing, then Houllier looked at him funny and he went off the boil. He was awful for a long time, and there was talk about him being a sulk, slating the club and the city, being a bad influence etc etc, which saw him training with the reserves.
I agree, if we can get him right attitude-wise, and get him performing again, then that's fantastic, but let's not pretend this is about Houllier destroying an otherwise excellent player, because it isnt
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That tackle against Man City stands out for total inpetness. 1-0 up on top in the game, seconds before half time and he does that!
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That tackle against Man City stands out for total inpetness. 1-0 up on top in the game, seconds before half time and he does that!
Blackburn wasn't it?
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He did it in that game too.
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Ineptitude indeed. but for the large part of his first season with us he was fantastic and was justifiably called into the England squad in 2010. Sort out whatever went wrong and there is still a good player there. It may simply be that he wants to move back into a position he prefers -midfield- and is struggling for consistency at left-back.
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He was solid at first, then caught whatever it is left backs catch at Villa Park and was utterly inept. Then Houllier came along and he went from inept to invisible.
I'd forget the ineptitude and sulking if he gave us a solid season at left back because for a while we had a very mean back 4 wit him in it. No excuses though.
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He also linked up well with Ashley Young when Young played as a left winger. Warnock's form dropping could have something to do with Young becoming a midfield player or player in the 'hole' and Warnock not having a left winger in front of him.
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He also linked up well with Ashley Young when Young played as a left winger. Warnock's form dropping could have something to do with Young becoming a midfield player or player in the 'hole' and Warnock not having a left winger in front of him.
When you factor in Ash's workrate and the fact that Warnock has some defensive frailties, this could be quite true.
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He was great for us when he first joined. God knows what went wrong after the Carling Cup, but he was terribad after that. Much like Dunne at the start of last season, just completely inept all of a sudden.
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The problem for Warnock was that he got utterly frozen out by Houllier, I think the same happened at Anfield, part of Houlliers management that was totally lacking, take Gabby, season after season, led the line, mostly on his own and for that incredibly and almost unbelievably consistent in that he kept that going, and helping the club achieve what it did in that period, lucky if we see that again anytime soon.
Lasts season injury aside Gabby got pretty much sidelined and virtually played out of position for the whole season, Warnock vanished altogether, by far the best thing is for Warnock to move on unless he can get some guarantee he will get a lot more match time. He can't afford another season in obscurity.
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He was absolute rubbish for a good six months before Houllier appeared and rightly dropped him. Hopefully can show the form he had during his half a good season with us, otherwise I'd rather he displayed his new found good attitude on the bench.
Now we have had OS snippets of praise for Ireland and Warnock, I fully expect an article to appear headed 'Beye Pele-esque in training' next week.
I will reserve judgement till I see them do it on the pitch, and I really hope they do, but meanwhiles I will not be holding my breath in anticipation.
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He was absolute rubbish for a good six months before Houllier appeared and rightly dropped him. Hopefully can show the form he had during his half a good season with us, otherwise I'd rather he displayed his new found good attitude on the bench.
Now we have had OS snippets of praise for Ireland and Warnock, I fully expect an article to appear headed 'Beye Pele-esque in training' next week.
I will reserve judgement till I see them do it on the pitch, and I really hope they do, but meanwhiles I will not be holding my breath in anticipation.
Maybe so, but you don't resolve that by deafing the player out for 12 months, that's just madness. Fact is we do know Warnock can play football.
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He was beyond awful last season, hard to know which of Ireland and him were worst. In there somewhere is a solid enough left back but with his injuries problems and his diabolical attitude I'm not sure he can turn it around.
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I don't give a fuck if he's sorry or if he is getting a clean sheet. He was utterly shocking and not just under Houllier but under MacDonald and under O'Neill half the time.
He has diabolical positioning sense, makes poor tackles and for me lacks strength. Basically as a full back he is a car crash waiting to happen.
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That tackle against Man City stands out for total inpetness. 1-0 up on top in the game, seconds before half time and he does that!
That tackle infuriated me beyond the ability to express myself.
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I can't think of many players who went from being so good (his first 4-6 months with the club) to so bad (his impression of a pub player ever since) almost overnight.
He was a liability before Houllier arrived IMO.
Yep he was really poor from the Carling cup final right through to Man. City away in the 2010 run in.
Not sure what's gone wrong really but like Ireland, he certainly will get a second chance.
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Maybe he's a confidence player. He had a very poor run of form, and you wonder if he needs to have someone encourage him as AM seems to be doing. As with all of us, every person is different and they react differently to praise, criticism etc. You have to wonder that once his confidence took a hit, did it just go quickly downhill from there. Did then the change of manager, and GH not having the time, patience, whatever, to deal with make it worse?
What I do know is that when we bought him he was highly thought of and playing well. There's no reason to think that player doesn't exist anymore. The big question is does Stephen Warnock believe it, and can AM help him to that end?
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Ah, some man-management. I remember that.
I think we can trace his loss of form back to the Carling Cup Final, I seem to recall that most of us hoped he would recover for that. Maybe part of that was down to the prospect of Shorey playing.
As for the bad attitudes that beset us last season, there were a few guilty of that. Did Houllier actually improve anybody's attitude?
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I bet the groundsmen are already having nightmares.
They have ordered extra turf and have extra staff ready at half time to replace the divots
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If we can get him back to the kind of form when he joined us from Blackburn, I'll be more than happy. I thought he was one of MON's better signings, a proper footballer.
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For me, Mcleish's comments in todays paper said nothing more than "I don't have the money to buy a left back, so we'll have to make do"
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Would you have preferred him to have said "fuck me, that warnock's a piece of shit with a terrible attitude, please can't someone take him off my hands"?
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For me, Mcleish's comments in todays paper said nothing more than "I don't have the money to buy a left back, so we'll have to make do"
McLeish said: "Stephen's attitude has been phenomenal and that's what I expect of top pros playing at a top level.
"He's trained really well. He played for England not so long ago and I think he's a terrific player.
I need to see if he can be part of the future here.
He has come back in and for me has staked his claim with his attitude alone."
Nath, I can put you in contact with my sister, she's a specialist in helping people with reading difficulties. I'm assuming you can read this post.
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Wonder what he had against Cuellar then if he is giving everybody else a chance? Did AM manage him at Rangers?
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Wonder what he had against Cuellar then if he is giving everybody else a chance? Did AM manage him at Rangers?
Maybe Cuellar has indicated a desire to go back. It's possible. It's also possible that the new money will allow us to look at targets like Dann aho hasn't moved yet. Hard to say. I think McLeish values Cuellar, but the player may just want to go back to a club that he had a lot of success at.
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For me, Mcleish's comments in todays paper said nothing more than "I don't have the money to buy a left back, so we'll have to make do"
McLeish said: "Stephen's attitude has been phenomenal and that's what I expect of top pros playing at a top level.
"He's trained really well. He played for England not so long ago and I think he's a terrific player.
I need to see if he can be part of the future here.
He has come back in and for me has staked his claim with his attitude alone."
Nath, I can put you in contact with my sister, she's a specialist in helping people with reading difficulties. I'm assuming you can read this post.
You're battling the "glass half full" crowd Mark. It will take more than your sister and her reading help skills. A team of therapists is required.
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Wonder what he had against Cuellar then if he is giving everybody else a chance? Did AM manage him at Rangers?
Probably nothing as this story was doing the rounds prior to Mcleish arriving as I recall.
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It's an odd one with Cuellar: he's widely popular, yet three managers failed to consistently pick him at CB. We're in the position now of having to make squad sacrifices to move forward and perhaps his sale would enable us to sign an outstanding, 'first name on the team sheet' central defender, rather than keeping someone who has been traditionally third or fourth choice for a place in the defence.
As for Warnock, more than happy if he's back on form and in the side. Saves us trying to find another new full-back for the umpteenth season running.
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Would you have preferred him to have said "fuck me, that warnock's a piece of shit with a terrible attitude, please can't someone take him off my hands"?
Funny thing is, even if he was thinking that, he's said the right thing if only to not put off somebody who might 'take him off our hands'.
It's called 'having a clue' Gerrard.
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Would you have preferred him to have said "fuck me, that warnock's a piece of shit with a terrible attitude, please can't someone take him off my hands"?
Funny thing is, even if he was thinking that, he's said the right thing if only to not put off somebody who might 'take him off our hands'.
It's called 'having a clue' Gerrard.
Which was kind of what I was trying to get at. I'm a fan of Houllier's, and am disappointed he couldn't stay on, but he did go in too heavy handed at times with his dealings with some players (Carew though, deserved every bit of it).
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Whichever way you look at it, Warnock's going to have to play like Paolo Maldini for the rest of his contract to justify the money we have spent on him.
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For me, Mcleish's comments in todays paper said nothing more than "I don't have the money to buy a left back, so we'll have to make do"
For me your post says nothing more than "I am yet another poster who refuses to see the positive side to anything Villa have done since appointing McLeish, and I am going to whine about it on every fucking opportunity."
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For me, Mcleish's comments in todays paper said nothing more than "I don't have the money to buy a left back, so we'll have to make do"
For me your post says nothing more than "I am yet another poster who refuses to see the positive side to anything Villa have done since appointing McLeish, and I am going to whine about it on every fucking opportunity."
rubs chin, sips brandy, nods head in agreement. Puffs on pipe.
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For me, Mcleish's comments in todays paper said nothing more than "I don't have the money to buy a left back, so we'll have to make do"
For me your post says nothing more than "I am yet another poster who refuses to see the positive side to anything Villa have done since appointing McLeish, and I am going to whine about it on every fucking opportunity."
rubs chin, sips brandy, nods head in agreement. Puffs on pipe.
Hyar Hyar!
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Warnock will be walking the tightrope with the manager, Ireland and probably Beye -
The question is "will they all manage to keep their balance or will they tumble one after
another if early performances/results aren't good enough for the fans?"
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If he can have the next 4 weeks of training and sharpness back in his game along with new confidence. There is no reason he cannot resurrect his career with Villa ....
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another of the "clean slate" brigade ::)
you would nearly think that with all these "clean slates" we are hearing about, that we wont be spending a lot of money in this transfer window
whats the roll call so far?
Warnock
Ireland
Dunne
Collins
whos next?
im still going for Beye
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Salifou ?
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Salifou ?
always 1 that goes too far
has he not been released anyway?
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another of the "clean slate" brigade ::)
you would nearly think that with all these "clean slates" we are hearing about, that we wont be spending a lot of money in this transfer window
whats the roll call so far?
Warnock
Ireland
Dunne
Collins
whos next?
im still going for Beye
do you ever post anything remotely positive?
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another of the "clean slate" brigade ::)
you would nearly think that with all these "clean slates" we are hearing about, that we wont be spending a lot of money in this transfer window
whats the roll call so far?
Warnock
Ireland
Dunne
Collins
whos next?
im still going for Beye
do you ever post anything remotely positive?
Toronto
is stalking me
its not that positive, i agree
but how do you up the fact some weirdo is stalking you?
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In other words we can't afford a new left back. If he can recapture his form pre cup final I'll be happy
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In other words we can't afford a new left back. If he can recapture his form pre cup final I'll be happy
But, do we need a new left back if he can recapture his form. Let's not forget he was one of the best in his position in the country when we signed him. The question is, can AM get him back playing to that form? If he can, brilliant.
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Toronto
is stalking me
its not that positive, i agree
but how do you up the fact some weirdo is stalking you?
Your
typing style
really really
annoys me.
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Salifou ?
always 1 that goes too far
has he not been released anyway?
It was a joke. Lighten up and try and have at least one positive post or even try having a sense of humour ?? .......
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stephen warnock was very good when he 1st signed then he seem to go downhill after six months then when houllier came in he got alot worse
also he only got into england squad because leighton baines was homesick , how may competitive games has warnock played for england
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He has 2 England caps.
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McCleish has mangaged to make Carr still look like a good fullback at his advanced age,and can improves defenders,so maybe not is all lost with Warnock. After reading his comments on the OS,it looks like he's gonna be first choice lb.
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Toronto
is stalking me
its not that positive, i agree
but how do you up the fact some weirdo is stalking you?
Your
typing style
really really
annoys me.
::) jesus wept
what really annoys you about me?
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another of the "clean slate" brigade ::)
you would nearly think that with all these "clean slates" we are hearing about, that we wont be spending a lot of money in this transfer window
whats the roll call so far?
Warnock
Ireland
Dunne
Collins
whos next?
im still going for Beye
I think though
Ireland
Dunne
Warnock
Are all good
Players if they want to be
But Collins
And Beye are.....
CACK
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If McLeish can turnaround Warnock and Ireland to be effective he would be going up in my estimation and saving us £12 to £20M in transfer fees. So far this inclusion talk is good.
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Independent are reporting that Warnock is still keen to return to the north west. Make of that what you will.
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Could Eck simply be praising etc to flush out a decent bid - would be a good strategy if so.
If Everton had sold Baines to City I could have seen them buying him, but think he will stay and be first choice this season. Hopefully he has a great one and can then be sold.