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Title: Stephen Warnock
Post by: Legion on July 15, 2011, 09:42:31 AM
Phenomenal (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2393192,00.html)?
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 15, 2011, 09:46:29 AM
Well his attitude was terrible, but I don't think we can afford to hold grudges. So if he sorts himself out then it's a position we don't need to fill.
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 15, 2011, 09:54:55 AM
If Mcleish can sort Warnocks head out , it will only benefit the club..     
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: Chris Smith on July 15, 2011, 09:56:45 AM
Well his attitude was terrible, but I don't think we can afford to hold grudges. So if he sorts himself out then it's a position we don't need to fill.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: eastie on July 15, 2011, 09:58:38 AM
Well his attitude was terrible, but I don't think we can afford to hold grudges. So if he sorts himself out then it's a position we don't need to fill.

Agreed.

yes clean slate time now, lets hope he performs well.
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: *shellac* on July 15, 2011, 10:05:55 AM
I thought he's next on the line.
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: darren woolley on July 15, 2011, 10:06:43 AM
Well his attitude was terrible, but I don't think we can afford to hold grudges. So if he sorts himself out then it's a position we don't need to fill.

Agreed.

yes clean slate time now, lets hope he performs well.



I also agree with you.
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: jonzy85 on July 15, 2011, 10:09:43 AM
I dont think his head needs that much sorting out...Houllier was such a clown that he seemed to go out of his way to not get on with players.

McLeish's comments dont surprise me in the slightest and having Warnock for LB means we can save time and money on improving other areas of the team.
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: Summers on July 15, 2011, 10:11:37 AM
Before Hou was here - Warnock was becoming one of my favourite players. He always tried his hardest, covered well and was consistent. I have faith he'll return to form.
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: LeeB on July 15, 2011, 10:16:54 AM
Before any talk of rifts with Houllier, Warnock had spent six months being the definition of a liability at left back. If McLeish can sort that out, let alone his attitude, then I will be impressed.
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on July 15, 2011, 10:24:14 AM
I can't think of many players who went from being so good (his first 4-6 months with the club) to so bad (his impression of a pub player ever since) almost overnight.

He was a liability before Houllier arrived IMO.

Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 15, 2011, 10:29:41 AM
Before any talk of rifts with Houllier, Warnock had spent six months being the definition of a liability at left back. If McLeish can sort that out, let alone his attitude, then I will be impressed.

Absolutely.

Let's not pretend he was amazing, then Houllier looked at him funny and he went off the boil. He was awful for a long time, and there was talk about him being a sulk, slating the club and the city, being a bad influence etc etc, which saw him training with the reserves.

I agree, if we can get him right attitude-wise, and get him performing again, then that's fantastic, but let's not pretend this is about Houllier destroying an otherwise excellent player, because it isnt
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: London Villan on July 15, 2011, 10:31:56 AM
That tackle against Man City stands out for total inpetness. 1-0 up on top in the game, seconds before half time and he does that!
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 15, 2011, 11:03:00 AM
That tackle against Man City stands out for total inpetness. 1-0 up on top in the game, seconds before half time and he does that!

Blackburn wasn't it?
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: London Villan on July 15, 2011, 11:09:49 AM
He did it in that game too.
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: Aston Manor on July 15, 2011, 11:20:22 AM
Ineptitude indeed. but for the large part of his first season with us he was fantastic and was justifiably called into the England squad in 2010. Sort out whatever went wrong  and there is still a good player there. It may simply be that he wants to move back into a position he prefers -midfield- and is struggling for consistency at left-back.
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: Rigadon on July 15, 2011, 11:23:54 AM
He was solid at first, then caught whatever it is left backs catch at Villa Park and was utterly inept.  Then Houllier came along and he went from inept to invisible.

I'd forget the ineptitude and sulking if he gave us a solid season at left back because for a while we had a very mean back 4 wit him in it.  No excuses though. 
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: Surrey Villain on July 15, 2011, 11:28:31 AM
He also linked up well with Ashley Young when Young played as a left winger.  Warnock's form dropping could have something to do with Young becoming a midfield player or player in the 'hole' and Warnock not having a left winger in front of him.
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: Concrete John on July 15, 2011, 11:30:23 AM
He also linked up well with Ashley Young when Young played as a left winger.  Warnock's form dropping could have something to do with Young becoming a midfield player or player in the 'hole' and Warnock not having a left winger in front of him.

When you factor in Ash's workrate and the fact that Warnock has some defensive frailties, this could be quite true.
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: Quiet Lion on July 15, 2011, 11:30:48 AM
He was great for us when he first joined. God knows what went wrong after the Carling Cup, but he was terribad after that. Much like Dunne at the start of last season, just completely inept all of a sudden.
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: Villanation on July 15, 2011, 11:39:25 AM
The problem for Warnock was that he got utterly frozen out by Houllier, I think the same happened at Anfield, part of Houlliers management that was totally lacking, take Gabby, season after season, led the line, mostly on his own and for that incredibly and almost unbelievably consistent in that he kept that going, and helping the club achieve what it did in that period, lucky if we see that again anytime soon.

Lasts season injury aside Gabby got pretty much sidelined and virtually played out of position for the whole season, Warnock vanished altogether, by far the best thing is for Warnock to move on unless he can get some guarantee he will get a lot more match time. He can't afford another season in obscurity.
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 15, 2011, 11:41:18 AM
He was absolute rubbish for a good six months before Houllier appeared and rightly dropped him. Hopefully can show the form he had during his half a good season with us, otherwise I'd rather he displayed his new found good attitude on the bench.

Now we have had OS snippets of praise for Ireland and Warnock, I fully expect an article to appear headed 'Beye Pele-esque in training' next week.

I will reserve judgement till I see them do it on the pitch, and I really hope they do, but meanwhiles I will not be holding my breath in anticipation.
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: Villanation on July 15, 2011, 11:46:53 AM
He was absolute rubbish for a good six months before Houllier appeared and rightly dropped him. Hopefully can show the form he had during his half a good season with us, otherwise I'd rather he displayed his new found good attitude on the bench.

Now we have had OS snippets of praise for Ireland and Warnock, I fully expect an article to appear headed 'Beye Pele-esque in training' next week.

I will reserve judgement till I see them do it on the pitch, and I really hope they do, but meanwhiles I will not be holding my breath in anticipation.

Maybe so, but you don't resolve that by deafing the player out for 12 months, that's just madness. Fact is we do know Warnock can play football.
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: brontebilly on July 15, 2011, 01:00:34 PM
He was beyond awful last season, hard to know which of Ireland and him were worst. In there somewhere is a solid enough left back but with his injuries problems and his diabolical attitude I'm not sure he can turn it around.
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: TheSandman on July 15, 2011, 01:28:29 PM
I don't give a fuck if he's sorry or if he is getting a clean sheet. He was utterly shocking and not just under Houllier but under MacDonald and under O'Neill half the time.

He has diabolical positioning sense, makes poor tackles and for me lacks strength. Basically as a full back he is a car crash waiting to happen.
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: not3bad on July 15, 2011, 01:38:04 PM
That tackle against Man City stands out for total inpetness. 1-0 up on top in the game, seconds before half time and he does that!

That tackle infuriated me beyond the ability to express myself.
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 15, 2011, 01:57:05 PM
I can't think of many players who went from being so good (his first 4-6 months with the club) to so bad (his impression of a pub player ever since) almost overnight.

He was a liability before Houllier arrived IMO.



Yep he was really poor from the Carling cup final right through to Man. City away in the 2010 run in.

Not sure what's gone wrong really but like Ireland, he certainly will get a second chance.
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 15, 2011, 02:02:06 PM
Maybe he's a confidence player. He had a very poor run of form, and you wonder if he needs to have someone encourage him as AM seems to be doing. As with all of us, every person is different and they react differently to praise, criticism etc. You have to wonder that once his confidence took a hit, did it just go quickly downhill from there. Did then the change of manager, and GH not having the time, patience, whatever, to deal with make it worse?

What I do know is that when we bought him he was highly thought of and playing well. There's no reason to think that player doesn't exist anymore. The big question is does Stephen Warnock believe it, and can AM help him to that end?
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 15, 2011, 02:10:55 PM
Ah, some man-management. I remember that.

I think we can trace his loss of form back to the Carling Cup Final, I seem to recall that most of us hoped he would recover for that. Maybe part of that was down to the prospect of Shorey playing.

As for the bad attitudes that beset us last season, there were a few guilty of that. Did Houllier actually improve anybody's attitude?
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: UsualSuspect on July 15, 2011, 02:15:06 PM
I bet the groundsmen are already having nightmares.

They have ordered extra turf and have extra staff ready at half time to replace the divots
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 15, 2011, 02:26:12 PM
If we can get him back to the kind of form when he joined us from Blackburn, I'll be more than happy. I thought he was one of MON's better signings, a proper footballer.
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: Nath_AvFc on July 15, 2011, 03:23:47 PM
For me, Mcleish's comments in todays paper said nothing more than "I don't have the money to buy a left back, so we'll have to make do"
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: Ger Regan on July 15, 2011, 03:31:20 PM
Would you have preferred him to have said "fuck me, that warnock's a piece of shit with a terrible attitude, please can't someone take him off my hands"?
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 15, 2011, 03:33:58 PM
For me, Mcleish's comments in todays paper said nothing more than "I don't have the money to buy a left back, so we'll have to make do"

McLeish said: "Stephen's attitude has been phenomenal and that's what I expect of top pros playing at a top level.

"He's trained really well. He played for England not so long ago and I think he's a terrific player.
I need to see if he can be part of the future here.
He has come back in and for me has staked his claim with his attitude alone."

Nath, I can put you in contact with my sister, she's a specialist in helping people with reading difficulties. I'm assuming you can read this post.
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: London Villan on July 15, 2011, 03:35:47 PM
Wonder what he had against Cuellar then if he is giving everybody else a chance? Did AM manage him at Rangers?
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 15, 2011, 03:38:58 PM
Wonder what he had against Cuellar then if he is giving everybody else a chance? Did AM manage him at Rangers?

Maybe Cuellar has indicated a desire to go back. It's possible. It's also possible that the new money will allow us to look at targets like Dann aho hasn't moved yet. Hard to say. I think McLeish values Cuellar, but the player may just want to go back to a club that he had a lot of success at.
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 15, 2011, 03:41:03 PM
For me, Mcleish's comments in todays paper said nothing more than "I don't have the money to buy a left back, so we'll have to make do"

McLeish said: "Stephen's attitude has been phenomenal and that's what I expect of top pros playing at a top level.

"He's trained really well. He played for England not so long ago and I think he's a terrific player.
I need to see if he can be part of the future here.
He has come back in and for me has staked his claim with his attitude alone."

Nath, I can put you in contact with my sister, she's a specialist in helping people with reading difficulties. I'm assuming you can read this post.

You're battling the "glass half full" crowd Mark. It will take more than your sister and her reading help skills. A team of therapists is required.
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: Concrete John on July 15, 2011, 03:41:37 PM
Wonder what he had against Cuellar then if he is giving everybody else a chance? Did AM manage him at Rangers?

Probably nothing as this story was doing the rounds prior to Mcleish arriving as I recall.
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: Merv on July 15, 2011, 03:44:22 PM
It's an odd one with Cuellar: he's widely popular, yet three managers failed to consistently pick him at CB. We're in the position now of having to make squad sacrifices to move forward and perhaps his sale would enable us to sign an outstanding, 'first name on the team sheet' central defender, rather than keeping someone who has been traditionally third or fourth choice for a place in the defence.

As for Warnock, more than happy if he's back on form and in the side. Saves us trying to find another new full-back for the umpteenth season running.

Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 15, 2011, 03:47:31 PM
Would you have preferred him to have said "fuck me, that warnock's a piece of shit with a terrible attitude, please can't someone take him off my hands"?

Funny thing is, even if he was thinking that, he's said the right thing if only to not put off somebody who might 'take him off our hands'.

It's called 'having a clue' Gerrard.
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: Ger Regan on July 15, 2011, 04:08:47 PM
Would you have preferred him to have said "fuck me, that warnock's a piece of shit with a terrible attitude, please can't someone take him off my hands"?

Funny thing is, even if he was thinking that, he's said the right thing if only to not put off somebody who might 'take him off our hands'.

It's called 'having a clue' Gerrard.
Which was kind of what I was trying to get at. I'm a fan of Houllier's, and am disappointed he couldn't stay on, but he did go in too heavy handed at times with his dealings with some players (Carew though, deserved every bit of it).
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: Steve R on July 15, 2011, 04:29:10 PM
Whichever way you look at it, Warnock's going to have to play like Paolo Maldini for the rest of his contract to justify the money we have spent on him.
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: Dave Cooper please on July 15, 2011, 04:55:08 PM
For me, Mcleish's comments in todays paper said nothing more than "I don't have the money to buy a left back, so we'll have to make do"

For me your post says nothing more than "I am yet another poster who refuses to see the positive side to anything Villa have done since appointing McLeish, and I am going to whine about it on every fucking opportunity."
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 15, 2011, 05:09:06 PM
For me, Mcleish's comments in todays paper said nothing more than "I don't have the money to buy a left back, so we'll have to make do"

For me your post says nothing more than "I am yet another poster who refuses to see the positive side to anything Villa have done since appointing McLeish, and I am going to whine about it on every fucking opportunity."

rubs chin, sips brandy, nods head in agreement. Puffs on pipe.
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: Surrey Villain on July 15, 2011, 05:39:50 PM
For me, Mcleish's comments in todays paper said nothing more than "I don't have the money to buy a left back, so we'll have to make do"

For me your post says nothing more than "I am yet another poster who refuses to see the positive side to anything Villa have done since appointing McLeish, and I am going to whine about it on every fucking opportunity."

rubs chin, sips brandy, nods head in agreement. Puffs on pipe.

Hyar Hyar!
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: mozza on July 15, 2011, 09:33:49 PM
Warnock will be walking the tightrope with the manager, Ireland and probably Beye -

The question is "will they all manage to keep their balance or will they tumble one after
another if early performances/results aren't good enough for the fans?"   
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 16, 2011, 01:21:32 AM
If he can have the next 4 weeks of training and sharpness back in his game along with new confidence. There is no reason he cannot resurrect his career with Villa ....
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: madirishvillain on July 16, 2011, 01:37:27 AM
another of the "clean slate" brigade ::)

you would nearly think that with all these "clean slates" we are hearing about, that we wont be spending a lot of money in this transfer window

whats the roll call so far?

Warnock
Ireland
Dunne
Collins

whos next?

im still going for Beye
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 16, 2011, 01:42:29 AM
Salifou ?
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: madirishvillain on July 16, 2011, 01:45:35 AM
Salifou ?

always 1 that goes too far

has he not been released anyway?
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 16, 2011, 05:09:24 AM
another of the "clean slate" brigade ::)

you would nearly think that with all these "clean slates" we are hearing about, that we wont be spending a lot of money in this transfer window

whats the roll call so far?

Warnock
Ireland
Dunne
Collins

whos next?

im still going for Beye

do you ever post anything remotely positive?
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: madirishvillain on July 16, 2011, 05:40:58 AM
another of the "clean slate" brigade ::)

you would nearly think that with all these "clean slates" we are hearing about, that we wont be spending a lot of money in this transfer window

whats the roll call so far?

Warnock
Ireland
Dunne
Collins

whos next?

im still going for Beye

do you ever post anything remotely positive?

Toronto

is stalking me

its not that positive, i agree

but how do you up the fact some weirdo is stalking you?
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 16, 2011, 06:56:39 AM
In other words we can't afford a new left back. If he can recapture his form pre cup final I'll be happy
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: fredm on July 16, 2011, 09:43:46 AM
In other words we can't afford a new left back. If he can recapture his form pre cup final I'll be happy

But, do we need a new left back if he can recapture his form.  Let's not forget he was one of the best in his position in the country when we signed him.  The question is, can AM get him back playing to that form?  If he can, brilliant.
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: Dave Cooper please on July 16, 2011, 12:21:52 PM

Toronto

is stalking me

its not that positive, i agree

but how do you up the fact some weirdo is stalking you?

Your

typing style

really really

annoys me.
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 16, 2011, 01:44:06 PM
Salifou ?

always 1 that goes too far

has he not been released anyway?

It was a joke. Lighten up and try and have at least one positive post or even try having a sense of humour ?? .......
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: IRISHPHIL on July 16, 2011, 01:49:51 PM
stephen warnock was very good when he 1st signed then he seem to go downhill after six months then when houllier came in he got alot worse
also he only got into england squad because leighton baines was homesick , how may competitive games has warnock played for england
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: Legion on July 16, 2011, 01:52:33 PM
He has 2 England caps.
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 16, 2011, 01:56:41 PM
McCleish has mangaged to make Carr still look like a good fullback at his advanced age,and can improves defenders,so maybe not is all lost with Warnock. After reading his comments on the OS,it looks like he's gonna be first choice lb.
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: madirishvillain on July 16, 2011, 09:10:18 PM

Toronto

is stalking me

its not that positive, i agree

but how do you up the fact some weirdo is stalking you?

Your

typing style

really really

annoys me.

 ::) jesus wept

what really annoys you about me?
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 17, 2011, 10:38:05 AM
another of the "clean slate" brigade ::)

you would nearly think that with all these "clean slates" we are hearing about, that we wont be spending a lot of money in this transfer window

whats the roll call so far?

Warnock
Ireland
Dunne
Collins

whos next?

im still going for Beye

I think though

Ireland
Dunne
Warnock

Are all good

Players if they want to be

But Collins

And Beye are.....





CACK
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: olaftab on July 17, 2011, 11:10:03 AM
If McLeish can turnaround Warnock and Ireland to be effective  he would be going up in my estimation and saving us £12 to £20M in transfer fees.  So far  this inclusion talk is good.
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 18, 2011, 06:26:57 AM
Independent are reporting that Warnock is still keen to return to the north west. Make of that what you will.
Title: Re: Stephen Warnock
Post by: ozzjim on July 18, 2011, 07:52:02 AM
Could Eck simply be praising etc to flush out a decent bid - would be a good strategy if so.

If Everton had sold Baines to City I could have seen them buying him, but think he will stay and be first choice this season. Hopefully he has a great one and can then be sold.
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