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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: abc123cox on June 22, 2011, 08:47:47 PM
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Mysteryman returns and discusses AM open forum with fans
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Mysteryman made a welcome return to Villatalk and gives what happened in the face-to-face chat with Villa fans and Alex McLeish
Mysteryman – one of the most reliable sources in and around Villa Park was at the meeting held between fans of the club and new Villa Boss Big ‘Eck.
Mysteryman had the below to say about the event:
People will think we bottled it and were all starry eyed but we gave him a decent grilling .
Headlines Robert Green aint coming good simply not on the radar but was on GH radar
Downing staying unless its 50 mill !
Craig Gardner desperate to come to Villa FACT but we aren’t interested his words not mine !
Was given a history lesson on Villa / Blues and why the rivalry is like it is and why people were more than upset explained the years of bullying at their place which at times was like going into a war zone . We don’t forget !
Amazingly didn’t know Peter Withe played for them before us !!!
Grilled over his style of football said down to resources and will play a high tempo attacking style at home using wingers and raiding full backs !
Blues aint got a pot to pi-s in !
Dann a star player in his eyes but will be too expensive and Johnson he loves but maybe no better than what we have now
Raved about our kids and wants to give the likes of Delph and Albrighton the chance
Wants to re-sign Reo Coker / was told FA Cup our holy grail and to respect it / Also can the players start respecting the club unlike the antics from last season !
Gary Mac has left but was in contact with him to give him a full sp on the players and the probs they had with the defence admitting that GH went in and changed too much too soon !
Said his key priority is GK and then to look at what he has said there are a lot of ‘ dormant talents ‘ he wants to awaken and can’t just write off aka Ireland and Warnock ! Hence he aint just going to go after people until he assesses what we have first
I said you mentioned not having all of the Young money to spend he said I am not going to tell the media and other clubs what we have to spend it will drive the price up
He said he would get rid of the deadwood and sort out the perceived ill discipline with people on a one to one basis
Said wants to pair Gabby with Bent thinks Gabby was wasted on the wing and wants to get him back to the level he was at !
Said Cowans was his choice not a PR exercise when I asked him why he was 1st team coach when Kevin Mac was better qualified ( I did say Sid is my hero but sticks out to me that Kev Mac appears more qualfied as a coach) He said Sid links things together is a good coach and well respected at the club and gives me contunity which is a fair point
Will be bringing in an assistant Manager likely from Blues but wouldn’t commit !
Asked him would have he gone to Celtic from Rangers he said no as they are the same in term of size ! said Villa are a much bigger club than Blues and it was an offer he couldn’t turn down so it’s not the same !
Was impressed with Dave Woodhall’s knowledge of Rangers (-
Overall have to say he was impressive never ducked a question and appears honest but as he said talk is cheap it’s results you want to see !
Jonathan Fear, editor of the Vital Villa fans’ website, said:
“It was a good positive, open meeting and I don’t think anyone left with long faces.
“Some people might look at this as a cynical PR exercise but Alex McLeish wanted to meet some of the fans and put his points across and listen to what people had to say.
“He asked for the meeting and he is going to ask for more fans’ forums.
“We all asked everything we felt was relevant and he answered it and wanted to be open and honest.
“He could have hidden away and it would have been easier not to front up to things.”
Fear believes it is time for everyone to pull in the right direction at Villa.
He said: “The whole club needs it. Everyone has had their opinions and now everyone should support the club.
“Let everyone give the manager the chance to show what he can do. He deserves that.”
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SOUNDS LIKE A BUM-FEST TO ME. THE PROOF WILL BE IN THE PUDDING.
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SOUNDS LIKE A BUM-FEST TO ME. THE PROOF WILL BE IN THE PUDDING.
Oh here we fackin go....
Troll ahoy.
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OK all good and open discussion now we need to see some action in the transfer window.
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Hmm don't feed the troll.
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SOUNDS LIKE A BUM-FEST TO ME. THE PROOF WILL BE IN THE PUDDING.
You sound like great fun.
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SOUNDS LIKE A BUM-FEST TO ME. THE PROOF WILL BE IN THE PUDDING.
You sound like great fun.
Well he seems to know what bum-fests are like, and you know how these bummers like a good time...
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I hope he has some money to spend, because we need it.
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I found that interesting and I for one say well done to McLeish for being up front.
However, before all the cynics inevitably start saying this is all talk. You know it is actually close season, its a bit difficult to do much else than talk at this moment in time.
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IVE JUST READ THERE WAS ONLY 5 FANS THERE LMAO. 5 "YES" MEN BY THE SOUNDS OF IT.
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IVE JUST READ THERE WAS ONLY 5 FANS THERE LMAO. 5 "YES" MEN BY THE SOUNDS OF IT.
Please stop shouting.
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IVE JUST READ THERE WAS ONLY 5 FANS THERE LMAO. 5 "YES" MEN BY THE SOUNDS OF IT.
Obvious troll is obvious
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I'm starting to genuinely like him. Straight forward and takes no prisoners. Just what a weak squad (mentally not ability wise) like ours needs.
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Thanks for posting, he is saying the right things at least!
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I agree that talk is cheap & it's results that count so we will have to see.
But he does seem to be open, honest & up front with the fans & if he sticks to that it can only be good for us.
Although I haven't changed my reservations about his appointment it would be good to have a manager who wants to rebuild the relationship with the supporters something I think was damaged a lot during Houilliers reign.
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Why you've managed to take an interesting thread and drag it down into the gutter. I HOPE YOUR HAPPY WITH YOURSELF LMFAO!!!1111
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IVE JUST READ THERE WAS ONLY 5 FANS THERE LMAO. 5 "YES" MEN BY THE SOUNDS OF IT.
LET ME KNOW IF YOU CAN HEAR THIS. YOU SOUND LIKE A MORON. GO AWAY.
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IVE JUST READ THERE WAS ONLY 5 FANS THERE LMAO. 5 "YES" MEN BY THE SOUNDS OF IT.
Obvious troll is obvious
I've backtraced it and its Paul Tait.
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toronto villa -PLEASE ASSOCIATE YOURSELF WITH THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THIS FORUM.
I'M EXPRESSING MY OPINION ABOUT THE CLUB I LOVE AND DON'T EXPECT TO BE ABUSED.
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Fair play to him for this. He does seem to have a feel for the club and seems to want to do well. Slowly warming to this
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toronto villa -PLEASE ASSOCIATE YOURSELF WITH THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THIS FORUM.
I'M EXPRESSING MY OPINION ABOUT THE CLUB I LOVE AND DON'T EXPECT TO BE ABUSED.
You've just called a moderator of this site, and a couple of the mods of other sites "Yes men". That's more insulting than calling you a moron. I know the rules of this forum - Stop typing in capitals
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IVE JUST READ THERE WAS ONLY 5 FANS THERE LMAO. 5 "YES" MEN BY THE SOUNDS OF IT.
Can we ban this troll please?
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toronto villa -PLEASE ASSOCIATE YOURSELF WITH THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THIS FORUM.
I'M EXPRESSING MY OPINION ABOUT THE CLUB I LOVE AND DON'T EXPECT TO BE ABUSED.
And fair enough. Please type in lower case though!
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toronto villa -PLEASE ASSOCIATE YOURSELF WITH THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THIS FORUM.
I'M EXPRESSING MY OPINION ABOUT THE CLUB I LOVE AND DON'T EXPECT TO BE ABUSED.
Here you are mate. I've copied and pasted you this for you from the forum rules. Do you understand it ?
Refrain from using bold or colours other than for highlighting certain text. Don't SHOUT. The use of caps lock is the equivalent to shouting on the forums, don't continually do it, it's rude.
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toronto villa -PLEASE ASSOCIATE YOURSELF WITH THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF THIS FORUM.
I'M EXPRESSING MY OPINION ABOUT THE CLUB I LOVE AND DON'T EXPECT TO BE ABUSED.
If you don't stop posting in caps lock, consequences will never be the same.
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I'm not against the man,as he's always seemed a decent and honest guy,but i was against him as a manager,but he is our manager and Randys choice,so we just have to get on with it.
He seems noones fool,so the cocks in the squad wont be able to fcuk him around,which is only a good thing. Glad to hear him talking up Gab,as Gab seems a confidence player,if he can unite the squad that could be half the battle,get the best out the young players and who knows.
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How many were there? No offence but a couple of fanzine editors isn't really meeting the fans is it?
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How many were there? No offence but a couple of fanzine editors isn't really meeting the fans is it?
But Jonathan Fear is a spokesman for the fans, etc, etc...
:P
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Fine. Is this better?
Mcleish out !!
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How many were there? No offence but a couple of fanzine editors isn't really meeting the fans is it?
How else would it be possible to get a reasonable spread of opinion from villa fans in a fairly short space of time? He's already said he'll be doing more fans forums, when others will be able to get his views and hear his plans.
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IVE JUST READ THERE WAS ONLY 5 FANS THERE LMAO. 5 "YES" MEN BY THE SOUNDS OF IT.
Turn you caps lock off, it's one of the buttons on the left of your keyboard, change your user name and get with the picture. No way are any of those who attended "yes men". They represent our feelings and thoughts and I for one trust them.
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How many were there? No offence but a couple of fanzine editors isn't really meeting the fans is it?
how many should he have met? What would have been an adequate number in your opinion? He's offered to do fan forums also. He met fans of Aston Villa so by definition he has done as he said he would.
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mebbe but it does come across as a PR exercise. Like some of the things he said but the reality is he doesn't have to convince people like Woodhall or Fear. Not that they are convinced.
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Might as well have met with 5 nodding churchill dogs.
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mebbe but it does come across as a PR exercise. Like some of the things he said but the reality is he doesn't have to convince people like Woodhall or Fear. Not that they are convinced.
But considering they run Fanzines you'd expect them to have a good idea of what a lot of fans are thinking and hopefully put that across to AM.
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Both were pretty open with their disappointment with the appointment, so not sure how they could be considered yes men. What would you have liked, a summary execution? Tarred and feathered? What? Or are you just coming out with childish nonsense?
Also, it's funny how you complain about someone having a go at you for "having an opinion", yet when other villa fans give their opinion on the new manager, they must be yes men. Strange that, isn't it?
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mebbe but it does come across as a PR exercise. Like some of the things he said but the reality is he doesn't have to convince people like Woodhall or Fear. Not that they are convinced.
what kind of PR would it have been had he not met with them, or ignored Villa fans altogether despite the protests? Damned if you do...don't you think greg? Whether any of us agrees or not the likes of Woodhall and Fear help run fan websites so in some respects carry the opinions of users of those sites to the club. I'm sure they presented the concerns that we all share in a civillized manner. Which is exactly how it should have been conducted. Unless you think in front of a full house at VP, each member of the crowd armed with a tomato would have been more constructive?
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mebbe but it does come across as a PR exercise. Like some of the things he said but the reality is he doesn't have to convince people like Woodhall or Fear. Not that they are convinced.
But considering they run Fanzines you'd expect them to have a good idea of what a lot of fans are thinking and hopefully put that across to AM.
yeah but again your guilty of thinking H & V or Villatalk is the voice of the fans. The ones that will try to drive him out probably aren't even on here. He said he was impressed by Woodhall's knowledge of Rangers - the people who he has to convince don't care about Rangers, or know anything about them
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mebbe but it does come across as a PR exercise. Like some of the things he said but the reality is he doesn't have to convince people like Woodhall or Fear. Not that they are convinced.
But considering they run Fanzines you'd expect them to have a good idea of what a lot of fans are thinking and hopefully put that across to AM.
yeah but again your guilty of thinking H & V or Villatalk is the voice of the fans. The ones that will try to drive him out probably aren't even on here. He said he was impressed by Woodhall's knowledge of Rangers - the people who he has to convince don't care about Rangers, or know anything about them
greg - what constitutes the "voice of the fans". It's no different to democratically electing a politician to represent your area. He/she may never represent the views of every constituent, but it's the best system we know to give an objective view for the majority. While Dave wasn't elected as such, and I am sure would never claim to represent all views, he was still likely able to convey the feelings, hopes and concerns of most of us.
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Sheesh. Roll on the start of the season and football matches to judge, rather than this silly bickering about a very interesting initial post.
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Fine. Is this better?
Mcleish out !!
Do you not think it would be sensible to wait until he loses a couple of games before you use that name?
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Seems a load of sabre rattling to me, if Downing wants to go he will do, most of Blues players are shit?, yeah we know eck, thats why you got them relegated. Dont tell us, show us.
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SOUNDS LIKE A BUM-FEST TO ME. THE PROOF WILL BE IN THE PUDDING.
I FUCKING LOVE PUDDING.
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yeah but again your guilty of thinking H & V or Villatalk is the voice of the fans. The ones that will try to drive him out probably aren't even on here. He said he was impressed by Woodhall's knowledge of Rangers - the people who he has to convince don't care about Rangers, or know anything about them
I'll ask again, how would it have been possible to gather a group of villa fans this quickly to an informal meeting? And again, he'll be conducting fans forums later on.
And I don't think he really has to convince the extremist (and, to be honest, idiotic) nutters like McLeishOUT to give him the space to make a good go of the job. He has to convince the disillusioned fans such as Lee, Fletch and the likes that he actually might be up for the job. I've yet to be convinced, but at least he's started the right way.
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PR Bullshit but that is Premier League football nowadays. I don't like his football but thought he had integrity until 12 days ago.
That said he has more self awareness in his receding hairline than the Clueless Clousseau had in 63 years on the planet. And his sidekick McDuff.
Whatever else he is I doubt we will struggle against relegation next season or the one after. It won't be pretty but at least he will try and find out why Ireland and Warnock couldn't be fucking arsed last year. The worst ever divide and rule man manager ever at the Villa was possibly a reason.
And I have said it before I don't want any BigTimeCharlies like Downing who think he is better than he actually is at the club, we had it with Gregory as a player, Gray, Elliott, Hodge, Dorigo, Collymore, Bosnich, Southgate and lots of others. We were never worse off when we lost any of them.
And yes I would like to see NRC back - type of player we need in a scrap. At least he realises that.
Above all I want Faulkner out - the way he has handled the 2 appointments is an absolute disgrace. Hiring Houllier is bad enough, hiring him when he still had work to complete was a joke. And then the trawl though candidates - even Grand Old Duke of York would have been baffled. He couldn't run a bath.
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mebbe but it does come across as a PR exercise. Like some of the things he said but the reality is he doesn't have to convince people like Woodhall or Fear. Not that they are convinced.
But considering they run Fanzines you'd expect them to have a good idea of what a lot of fans are thinking and hopefully put that across to AM.
yeah but again your guilty of thinking H & V or Villatalk is the voice of the fans. The ones that will try to drive him out probably aren't even on here. He said he was impressed by Woodhall's knowledge of Rangers - the people who he has to convince don't care about Rangers, or know anything about them
greg - what constitutes the "voice of the fans". It's no different to democratically electing a politician to represent your area. He/she may never represent the views of every constituent, but it's the best system we know to give an objective view for the majority. While Dave wasn't elected as such, and I am sure would never claim to represent all views, he was still likely able to convey the feelings, hopes and concerns of most of us.
I've no problem with woodhall being put forward and i'm sure the guy wouldn't claim to be the voice of villa fans, whether its me or you but again its not me or you AM has to convince or the majority on here. This site and Villatalk is a very small section of the support and as we argued the other day half of us don't go and the other ones travel for 3 or 4 games from abroad.
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Again, what's the alternative?
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If today was a chance for the new boss to get a feel for the club and the viewpoint of some of it's fans, then it was a positive move which can't have done any harm.
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mebbe but it does come across as a PR exercise.
Of course it's a fucking PR exercise you daft bugger!
McLeish and everyone else at the club know that they have some bridges to build and a lot of fans to convince, how better to start than to invite the editor of the fanzine, the clubs bestest fan (copyright J. Fear), the VT bum-fest (copyright MCLEISH OUT) that is MM and a couple of winos they dragged in from Aston Park?
I'm as cynical as they come but I can't see any problem with our new manager wanting to speak to fans who can get his message across.
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Again, what's the alternative?
stick him in at an open Q & A at Villa Park, first come 1st served. :0)
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Again, what's the alternative?
stick him in at an open Q & A at Villa Park, first come 1st served. :0)
Oh, Greg.
You've just rolled the ball past your own keeper with that one.
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stick him in at an open Q & A at Villa Park, first come 1st served. :0)
Would you go?
Want to borrow my sat-nav?
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I've no problem with woodhall being put forward and i'm sure the guy wouldn't claim to be the voice of villa fans, whether its me or you but again its not me or you AM has to convince or the majority on here. This site and Villatalk is a very small section of the support and as we argued the other day half of us don't go and the other ones travel for 3 or 4 games from abroad.
So, if the easily identifiable and contactable guys that were invited weren't a good enough cross sample of fans, then what should they have done? Conducted a lottery of ST holders? Asked for nominations? Employed a marketing company to create a focus group?
Personally I'm glad and encouraged he cared enough about fans opinions to do something like this so don't think he should be criticised for the selection process, especially when it was the only logical way to do it.
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stick him in at an open Q & A at Villa Park, first come 1st served. :0)
Would you go?
Want to borrow my sat-nav?
*clicks stopwatch*
Mind you, Dave, you'd probably only go if it was a freebie
*wink*
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I'm quite happy to have Mr Woodall be my representative at this summit. I think of him as I would my local MP.
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Sheesh. Roll on the start of the season and football matches to judge, rather than this silly bickering about a very interesting initial post.
Exactly this! Every day someones arguing!
Its a very interesting post and I hope that he sticks to all this.
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Again, what's the alternative?
stick him in at an open Q & A at Villa Park, first come 1st served. :0)
Oh, Greg.
You've just rolled the ball past your own keeper with that one.
why? I don't want to ask him any questions. He's our manager and though i'm not happy i'll accept it. Again, i'm not the problem or 99% of the people on here
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I'm just glad to have The Fear representing us. It's like having Winston Churchill as your MP.
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yeah but again your guilty of thinking H & V or Villatalk is the voice of the fans. The ones that will try to drive him out probably aren't even on here. He said he was impressed by Woodhall's knowledge of Rangers - the people who he has to convince don't care about Rangers, or know anything about them
I'll ask again, how would it have been possible to gather a group of villa fans this quickly to an informal meeting? And again, he'll be conducting fans forums later on.
And I don't think he really has to convince the extremist (and, to be honest, idiotic) nutters like McLeishOUT to give him the space to make a good go of the job. He has to convince the disillusioned fans such as Lee, Fletch and the likes that he actually might be up for the job. I've yet to be convinced, but at least he's started the right way.
I agree with you on this. Completely. I may disagree with Dave on a number of specific points re players mainly. However I would never put any other Villa fan I have known in 35 years as a supporter as a more preferable delegate to attend in this instance.
I repeat McLeish (for all the turgid football) has self awareness to know he is unpopular and has lots of work to do to win us over.
If we play absolutely shite for the large part, are in a relegation scrap for most of the season, antagonises the remaining senior players and has obvious people skill weaknesses, plays young players out of position and claps the undead in freezing cold condiitons to the exclusion of our fans, then we can rate him lower than Houllier. I doubt it will come to that - this season at least
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PR Bullshit but that is Premier League football nowadays. I don't like his football but thought he had integrity until 12 days ago.
That said he has more self awareness in his receding hairline than the Clueless Clousseau had in 63 years on the planet. And his sidekick McDuff.
Whatever else he is I doubt we will struggle against relegation next season or the one after. It won't be pretty but at least he will try and find out why Ireland and Warnock couldn't be fucking arsed last year. The worst ever divide and rule man manager ever at the Villa was possibly a reason.
And I have said it before I don't want any BigTimeCharlies like Downing who think he is better than he actually is at the club, we had it with Gregory as a player, Gray, Elliott, Hodge, Dorigo, Collymore, Bosnich, Southgate and lots of others. We were never worse off when we lost any of them.
And yes I would like to see NRC back - type of player we need in a scrap. At least he realises that.
Above all I want Faulkner out - the way he has handled the 2 appointments is an absolute disgrace. Hiring Houllier is bad enough, hiring him when he still had work to complete was a joke. And then the trawl though candidates - even Grand Old Duke of York would have been baffled. He couldn't run a bath.
Mcleish isn't fit to inhale the steam off Houllier's piss.
A very poor summary of the situation.
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What if he has a better season than Houllier did last season? And for all my defense of Houllier, that is quite possible.
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well thats the problem - a lot of middle-aged men. I can't imagine its risso or clampy doing the grafitti. Does it actually matter if Woodhall convinces us AM is the messiah, or indeed the opposite
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On Tuesday afternoon I was asked if I'd be interested in meeting Alex McLeish. This morning I was asked if I could get there about three hours later. Given that Bodymoor is a bugger to get to at the best of times, it was good that five of us could make it at such short notice on what I believe is known to the proles as a 'work day'.
It may have been a PR exercise but he didn't have to do it and no other manager ever has; I didn't claim to be speaking for or representing anyone else except me. I don't suppose he gave away any secrets and I hope he got as much from it as we did. It was interesting, not just to talk about Villa but to hear more general football stuff from someone with such a knowledge of the game at the highest level. When you get such a chance you take it.
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Ger Regan, Houllier didn't have any time at all at the start of the season. Mcleish doing better than 9th is not just a minimal requirement, but a mandatory one.
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Noticed he seems to want to play gabby with bent. Suggests a return to 442. Not sure that's the right answer personally. I think good teams are generally moving away from 442.
Signals seem to be we won't spend very much and will rely on youth. Or am I reading too much into it?
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I agree, it is an appointment which stinks of desperation and cluelessness, and u think it will end badly, and quickly.
However, there's nothing I can do about it. He's the Villa manager and I desperately want him to prove me wrong, as that means we will be doing well.
I understood the thinking behind the protests last week, although I think they were a bad idea, and I fully understand why people have lost faith in the board - I have too, sadly - but I can't for the life of me see why anyone would think that, but not desperately want to be proven wrong.
What good does bleating on about McLeish out do now? For all I don't rate him, he seems a decent enough bloke, and I couldn't give a shit about where he used to work, do I'll be expecting the worst but hoping for the best.
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Greg, just look at the demographics who attended the protest though. How you know for sure that sort wouldn't be involved in vandalism?
There should be a law that bans men of a certain age dressing like that.
Go stylish or go home.
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On Tuesday afternoon I was asked if I'd be interested in meeting Alex McLeish. This morning I was asked if I could get there about three hours later. Given that Bodymoor is a bugger to get to at the best of times, it was good that five of us could make it at such short notice on what I believe is known to the proles as a 'work day'.
It may have been a PR exercise but he didn't have to do it and no other manager ever has; I didn't claim to be speaking for or representing anyone else except me. I don't suppose he gave away any secrets and I hope he got as much from it as we did. It was interesting, not just to talk about Villa but to hear more general football stuff from someone with such a knowledge of the game at the highest level. When you get such a chance you take it.
Translation = "there was free food"
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stick him in at an open Q & A at Villa Park, first come 1st served. :0)
Would you go?
Want to borrow my sat-nav?
*clicks stopwatch*
Mind you, Dave, you'd probably only go if it was a freebie
*wink*
I'll have you know I paid twice last season.
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PR Bullshit but that is Premier League football nowadays. I don't like his football but thought he had integrity until 12 days ago.
That said he has more self awareness in his receding hairline than the Clueless Clousseau had in 63 years on the planet. And his sidekick McDuff.
Whatever else he is I doubt we will struggle against relegation next season or the one after. It won't be pretty but at least he will try and find out why Ireland and Warnock couldn't be fucking arsed last year. The worst ever divide and rule man manager ever at the Villa was possibly a reason.
And I have said it before I don't want any BigTimeCharlies like Downing who think he is better than he actually is at the club, we had it with Gregory as a player, Gray, Elliott, Hodge, Dorigo, Collymore, Bosnich, Southgate and lots of others. We were never worse off when we lost any of them.
And yes I would like to see NRC back - type of player we need in a scrap. At least he realises that.
Above all I want Faulkner out - the way he has handled the 2 appointments is an absolute disgrace. Hiring Houllier is bad enough, hiring him when he still had work to complete was a joke. And then the trawl though candidates - even Grand Old Duke of York would have been baffled. He couldn't run a bath.
Mcleish isn't fit to inhale the steam off Houllier's piss.
A very poor summary of the situation.
A very very poor response to my comments - grow up son. Maybe get yourself a new Username.
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Man from down the roads claret blue army !!!
Im a Believer
In A Mc We trust and ill be behind them all on 20th August roll on ......
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Hmm, surprised he ''gave away'' the fact that wants to re-sign NRC. And mildly disappointed.
He did a job for us but I don't think he's much better than when we bought him from West Ham, and four years on you'd hope we were looking for better. But with Alec's appointment I suppose we're all going to have to readjust our sights somewhat.
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Greg, just look at the demographics who attended the protest though. How you know for sure that sort wouldn't be involved in vandalism?
There should be a law that bans men of a certain age dressing like that.
Go stylish or go home.
heh! true, but we're certainly not the beating heart of Villa if there is one. People who get rid of managers are the guys in their early to mid 20's who probably have too much of a life to even bother with fan's forums
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Hmm, surprised he ''gave away'' the fact that wants to re-sign NRC. And mildly disappointed.
He did a job for us but I don't think he's much better than when we bought him from West Ham, and four years on you'd hope we were looking for better. But with Alec's appointment I suppose we're all going to have to readjust our sights somewhat.
I may have misheard it, but I don't think he did.
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Man from down the roads claret blue army !!!
Im a Believer
In A Mc We trust and ill be behind them all on 20th August roll on ......
LOL - like Man in a Raincoat's White (with some blue) Army the spuds sung when Graham took over
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well thats the problem - a lot of middle-aged men. I can't imagine its risso or clampy doing the grafitti. Does it actually matter if Woodhall convinces us AM is the messiah, or indeed the opposite
So you're basically saying it was a pointless exercise and they shouldn't have bothered?
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Noticed he seems to want to play gabby with bent. Suggests a return to 442. Not sure that's the right answer personally. I think good teams are generally moving away from 442.
Signals seem to be we won't spend very much and will rely on youth. Or am I reading too much into it?
Urgh, I dislike 4-4-2.
As someone who played in a more 'continental' style and formation at quite a high level I can only say it's a more productive way of playing. I enjoyed playing free flowing football, with quicker and more athletic players 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1 and 4-5-1 is the way to go.
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No I think he's saying that he should have done something that he plans to do anyway.
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well thats the problem - a lot of middle-aged men. I can't imagine its risso or clampy doing the grafitti. Does it actually matter if Woodhall convinces us AM is the messiah, or indeed the opposite
So you're basically saying it was a pointless exercise and they shouldn't have bothered?
I don't know who the other 3 people invited were, but as far as villatalk and here are concerned, i doubt there's many who will be shouting abuse at him, apart from in posts - its not us he has to convince
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I don't know who the other 3 people invited were, but as far as villatalk and here are concerned, i doubt there's many who will be shouting abuse at him, apart from in posts - its not us he has to convince
Yes it is. Every manager has had a few idiots shouting things at him from pretty early on in their tenures. It's getting the silent (and, perhaps, the not so silent) majority who are willing to give him a go while still having reservations about his abilities. If he can convince them to give him a good chance, then they will be less likely to join the rabid mob already calling for his head. At least for a short while, which may be all that's needed.
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we're not the silent majority anymore though. I reckon the average age of people on this thread is probably mid 30's minimum.What are we gonna do if he does shit? Write him a nasty letter?
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Why would people who hate McLeish turn up the games if they're just going to shout abuse at him?
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Why would people who hate McLeish turn up the games if they're just going to shout abuse at him?
To drive him out.
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If we can get him out by xmas I would consider that a result.
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As someone who played in a more 'continental' style and formation at quite a high level I can only say it's a more productive way of playing. I enjoyed playing free flowing football, with quicker and more athletic players 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1 and 4-5-1 is the way to go.
Snigger!
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If we can get him out by xmas I would consider that a result.
I'm hoping to have you out of here by midnight. You're a troll.
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Why would people who hate McLeish turn up the games if they're just going to shout abuse at him?
It's happened with, I would imagine, every manager of the last good number of years, so it's going to happen to him. Managers don't get sacked when a few youths start throwing abuse, they get sacked when they lose the popular support of fans of all ages, not just the young ones. When was the last villa manager to actually be sacked as a result of fan pressure?
And speak for yourself greg when you talk about mid 30's! winky thing.
He's going to do other fan's forums, given time, and ones that will be able to draw on a wider fan base. I really fail to see why you're on such a downer with this, other than you being contrary for the sake of it. Perish the thought!
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If we can get him out by xmas I would consider that a result.
Well good for you. I'd consider it a sign that the appointment didn't work and would consider that a failure myself. I guess we have different views on what constitutes supporting the club.
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It will give us the opportunity to employ a proper manager.
4-4-2 with Gabby up front? ::) ::) :-\. Please.
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If we can get him out by xmas I would consider that a result.
For that to happen would mean the club is in or around the relegation zone. I cant believe you would want the club that you support to be doing so badly just to get rid of a manager. That just doesn't make sense. Why would you want that? What happened to the club being bigger than any one man?
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It will give us the opportunity to employ a proper manager.
4-4-2 with Gabby up front? ::) ::) :-\. Please.
You're not even trying at this trolling lark are you? MUST DO BETTER.
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For that to happen would mean the club is in or around the relegation zone. I cant believe you would want the club that you support to be doing so badly just to get rid of a manager. That just doesn't make sense. Why would you want that? What happened to the club being bigger than any one man?
Don't forget that there were certain individuals on here who wanted us to lose to the blues if it meant Houllier was gone.
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Why would people who hate McLeish turn up the games if they're just going to shout abuse at him?
It's happened with, I would imagine, every manager of the last good number of years, so it's going to happen to him. Managers don't get sacked when a few youths start throwing abuse, they get sacked when they lose the popular support of fans of all ages, not just the young ones. When was the last villa manager to actually be sacked as a result of fan pressure?
And speak for yourself greg when you talk about mid 30's! winky thing.
He's going to do other fan's forums, given time, and ones that will be able to draw on a wider fan base. I really fail to see why you're on such a downer with this, other than you being contrary for the sake of it. Perish the thought!
heh. mebbe, but i don't think speaking to a couple of knowledgeable fanzine editors (Well 1........ Probably.) of a certain age is going to make the rank and file change their mind one way or the other and certainly not the ones who will probably be on his back from kick-off. To be fair if they did have an open day Q & A at villa park it still wouldnt make much difference, but i think his detractors will view this as a cynical PR ploy as our CAPLOCKED FRIEND HAS HINTED.
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A true troll...
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Sometimes short-term pain is required for long-term gain. Even the bluenoses have a better manager than us! Nothing against the man as a person, everything against him as a manager.
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If we can get him out by xmas I would consider that a result.
Well good for you. I'd consider it a sign that the appointment didn't work and would consider that a failure myself. I guess we have different views on what constitutes supporting the club.
Yep abput sums it up and if we get him out then there are broader systematic problems with Villa. Either way it is why I have a low opinion of Faulkner. The way he (as CE) has handled both appointments has been shocking.
We are where we are and I doubt he will be worse than the appointments in 1984 1986 or 1990 or 2002 or 2010
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For that to happen would mean the club is in or around the relegation zone. I cant believe you would want the club that you support to be doing so badly just to get rid of a manager. That just doesn't make sense. Why would you want that? What happened to the club being bigger than any one man?
Don't forget that there were certain individuals on here who wanted us to lose to the blues if it meant Houllier was gone.
True.
I can remember, being in such a rage after the Sunderland match. Thinking Houllier had lost it completely, I wanted him out that night. But when the anger subsides and you find out he is still the manager, you turn up to the next game and get on with supporting the team. I cant imagine wanting to deliberately see my team lose a match just in the hope it forces the board to fire the manager or for him to leave. It just doesnt make sense
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heh. mebbe, but i don't think speaking to a couple of knowledgeable fanzine editors (Well 1........ Probably.) of a certain age is going to make the rank and file change their mind one way or the other and certainly not the ones who will probably be on his back from kick-off. To be fair if they did have an open day Q & A at villa park it still wouldnt make much difference, but i think his detractors will view this as a cynical PR ploy as our CAPLOCKED FRIEND HAS HINTED.
But again, it's not the ones who will never accept him that will be the problem, as, no matter how vocal they are, there'll only be a few of them. If anything, them abusing him from the off will galvanise support of him from the more moderate fans. It's convincing the unsure fans that he deserves a chance that's important, and this sort of thing, along with fans forums that you refer to no doubt help that.
But again, when was the last time that fan power alone got rid of a villa manager? Genuine question as I can't think of one in my lifetime as a fan.
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Sometimes short-term pain is required for long-term gain. Even the bluenoses have a better manager than us! Nothing against the man as a person, everything against him as a manager.
Chris Hughton was harshly treated by the barcodes, granted, but he has only managed in the Premier League for a total of what? Five months, until Pardew came in. He spent the previous season in the Championship, albeit getting Newcastle promoted, I should think so too with the quality they have in that side. I cannot understand why some Villa fans wanted a man who has just five months experience of managing in the Prem, to manage us. Ridiculous. McLeish IN!!
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He had an outstanding team at Newcastle before he left. A lot of people got a beating from them including us. I'd rather have up and coming than someone who's premiership experience is basically how to get relegated from it.
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Hang on, let me try to understand this.
There are Villa fans on here who actually want Villa to lose most of our games in the early part of the season?
And if we don't lose most of our games and are doing well they won't be happy because that will mean the manager who is in charge of this winning team will stay in charge?
But it's not all about him being an ex-Blues manager right?
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Hang on, let me try to understand this.
There are Villa fans on here who actually want Villa to lose most of our games in the early part of the season?
And if we don't lose most of our games and are doing well they won't be happy because that will mean the manager who is in charge of this winning team will stay in charge?
But it's not all about him being an ex-Blues manager right?
But he's shit dave, the gods have spoken already. Have you not heard?
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The mentality of some people on here really beggar belief.
He's our manager, give it a go, get behind the team, the manager and the club and at least lets try and head into the new season with some bit of optimism.
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heh. mebbe, but i don't think speaking to a couple of knowledgeable fanzine editors (Well 1........ Probably.) of a certain age is going to make the rank and file change their mind one way or the other and certainly not the ones who will probably be on his back from kick-off. To be fair if they did have an open day Q & A at villa park it still wouldnt make much difference, but i think his detractors will view this as a cynical PR ploy as our CAPLOCKED FRIEND HAS HINTED.
But again, it's not the ones who will never accept him that will be the problem, as, no matter how vocal they are, there'll only be a few of them. If anything, them abusing him from the off will galvanise support of him from the more moderate fans. It's convincing the unsure fans that he deserves a chance that's important, and this sort of thing, along with fans forums that you refer to no doubt help that.
But again, when was the last time that fan power alone got rid of a villa manager? Genuine question as I can't think of one in my lifetime as a fan.
The answer is none i can think of, but i think you're underestimating the amount of fans that don't want him at all. Its a minority but not much of one, then there's those of us who will give him a chance but won't need much to change our mind. I think AM realises this even if the club don't, hence this PR stunt. Its all gonna come down to results i'm afraid. Get us up the top by Christmas and he may win over some of the doubters. Dragging along the bottom and it will be a car crash.
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but i don't think speaking to a couple of knowledgeable fanzine editors (Well 1........ Probably.) of a certain age is going to make the rank and file change their mind one way or the other
I'm pretty sure that wasn't the aim of the meeting.
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Hang on, let me try to understand this.
There are Villa fans on here who actually want Villa to lose most of our games in the early part of the season?
And if we don't lose most of our games and are doing well they won't be happy because that will mean the manager who is in charge of this winning team will stay in charge?
But it's not all about him being an ex-Blues manager right?
Dave, you're going to hurt yourself if you try and understand his logic. I'm at peace now knowing that with every new post he just makes himself look a bigger fool. It's like negotiating with a brick wall.
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He had an outstanding team at Newcastle before he left. A lot of people got a beating from them including us. I'd rather have up and coming than someone who's premiership experience is basically how to get relegated from it.
So you'd rather have someone who has 5 months prem experience over someone who has won trophies. Who has experience in the latter stages in the champions league?
How is McLeish not up and coming he's not exactly on his late 70's is he? He wasn't my first choice, far from it, but he seems to have a good deal of respect from inside the game, was making the best of what he got down at SHA but that wasn't enough.
Hasnt Harry redknapp got a relegation on his CV? Didn't stop him from getting spurs into the champions league
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Sometimes short-term pain is required for long-term gain. Even the bluenoses have a better manager than us! Nothing against the man as a person, everything against him as a manager.
Do you really think there will be enough McLeish haters that he would consider walking out. If you think your going to drive him out then you are seriously deluded.
The majority of us were suprised with his appointment however Randy is the owner if the club and that means he does the hiring/firing not us. We are supporters of the club but the team management/selection is out of our control and we have to accept it. The only impact we can have is by creating a good atmosphere and encouraging the team during the match.
Villa Park will get a reputation for a bunch of moaners if things aren't going our way after 10 mins and that will be detrimental to the team if the crowd get on their backs.
I am not McLeish's biggest fan however have accepted he is our manager and wait to see how it pans out.
I wouldn't let the fact that he was employed by them that are obsessed with us cloud my judgement. His previous employers were a circus and the squad was a lot worse than ours yet they still won a trophy (and got relegated).
It will be interesting to see how he does with our squad and Randy's backing (without interfering).
Like him or not we have to give him a chance.
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but i don't think speaking to a couple of knowledgeable fanzine editors (Well 1........ Probably.) of a certain age is going to make the rank and file change their mind one way or the other
I'm pretty sure that wasn't the aim of the meeting.
well what was the aim then?
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but i don't think speaking to a couple of knowledgeable fanzine editors (Well 1........ Probably.) of a certain age is going to make the rank and file change their mind one way or the other
I'm pretty sure that wasn't the aim of the meeting.
well what was the aim thern?
To give you something else to moan about.
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but i don't think speaking to a couple of knowledgeable fanzine editors (Well 1........ Probably.) of a certain age is going to make the rank and file change their mind one way or the other
I'm pretty sure that wasn't the aim of the meeting.
well what was the aim thern?
To give you something else to moan about.
meh. this isn't even on the THE LIST yet.
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An historically bad appointment. Nothing he has said in these laughable PR exercises has changed my mind.
Quite amazing how people are prepared to brush over his two relegation's.
I'll be quite happy to be in or near the relegation zone at xmas if it means getting in a proper manager with a vision. Not a 4-4-2 hoofball merchant.
Mcleish plays percentage football, this isn't going to get us where we want to be. Not an opinion but a fact.
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An historically bad appointment. Nothing he has said in these laughable PR exercises has changed my mind.
Quite amazing how people are prepared to brush over his two relegation's.
I'll be quite happy to be in or near the relegation zone at xmas if it means getting in a proper manager with a vision. Not a 4-4-2 hoofball merchant.
Mcleish plays percentage football, this isn't going to get us where we want to be. Not an opinion but a fact.
You want us to lose. Yup, that's the kind of supporter we need.
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If we can get him out by xmas I would consider that a result.
I'm hoping to have you out of here by midnight. You're a troll.
I have a much less kind word than troll in mind.
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My boredom alarm as just gone off.
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An historically bad appointment. Nothing he has said in these laughable PR exercises has changed my mind.
Quite amazing how people are prepared to brush over his two relegation's.
I'll be quite happy to be in or near the relegation zone at xmas if it means getting in a proper manager with a vision. Not a 4-4-2 hoofball merchant.
Mcleish plays percentage football, this isn't going to get us where we want to be. Not an opinion but a fact.
re his record at Blues. You can't polish a turd.
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An historically bad appointment. Nothing he has said in these laughable PR exercises has changed my mind.
Quite amazing how people are prepared to brush over his two relegation's.
I'll be quite happy to be in or near the relegation zone at xmas if it means getting in a proper manager with a vision. Not a 4-4-2 hoofball merchant.
Mcleish plays percentage football, this isn't going to get us where we want to be. Not an opinion but a fact.
As a blues 'fan' I'm sure you're used to being in or near the relegation zone.
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An historically bad appointment. Nothing he has said in these laughable PR exercises has changed my mind.
Quite amazing how people are prepared to brush over his two relegation's.
I'll be quite happy to be in or near the relegation zone at xmas if it means getting in a proper manager with a vision. Not a 4-4-2 hoofball merchant.
Mcleish plays percentage football, this isn't going to get us where we want to be. Not an opinion but a fact.
re his record at Blues. You can't polish a turd.
Yep. its the one thing that gives me hope that Lerner is going to give him money, because if you're looking for a manager to keep you up on a limited budget then AM is probably not far off the worse choice possible. Neck and neck with Avram Grant in fact.
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Its all gonna come down to results i'm afraid. Get us up the top by Christmas and he may win over some of the doubters. Dragging along the bottom and it will be a car crash.
No middle ground then?
Basically you want us to be doing something we haven't done since Gregory took us top for a short while years ago or it's protest time again?
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For all the people on here who can't accept that Alex McCleish is now manager of Aston Villa can I ask you to imagine this scenario? If, you are a single man and you meet a woman with two failed marriages behind her for whatever reason and she is everything you are looking for in a wife. Would you a) give her a chance and marry her because all of what went before was nothing to do with you, or b) walk away and never know what she could have done for you. If the answer is (a) then that is what Randy Lerner has done. Simple logic to me. Waits now for deluge of amateur psycholgists to tell me football has nothing to do with marriage! ;)
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An historically bad appointment. Nothing he has said in these laughable PR exercises has changed my mind.
Quite amazing how people are prepared to brush over his two relegation's.
I'll be quite happy to be in or near the relegation zone at xmas if it means getting in a proper manager with a vision. Not a 4-4-2 hoofball merchant.
Mcleish plays percentage football, this isn't going to get us where we want to be. Not an opinion but a fact.
Ok, so say you get your wish. It's christmas and we're in the bottom three and now managerless. Who would you bring in? bearing in mind that Houghton is now at the blues so he is out the running. Which manager with vision would want to come to a club that has had 6 different people in charge in less than 18 months and is seriously in contention to be playing championship football the following year. Losing the top players like Bent, and struggling to find replacements since the whole club will look like it's in free fall and imploding with a baord that doesnt know it's arse from it's elbow. The London bias, villa hating media will all be spouting "i told you so." and saying we should of done everything we could of to hold onto their loveable, can do no wrong man in MON.
Na, for me, i would rather hope McLeish can do good here, prove the doubters wrong and show that there is more to him as a manager. He has potential and its time he showed it.
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Its all gonna come down to results i'm afraid. Get us up the top by Christmas and he may win over some of the doubters. Dragging along the bottom and it will be a car crash.
No middle ground then?
Basically you want us to be doing something we haven't done since Gregory took us top for a short while years ago or it's protest time again?
look the support turned against GH after 4 months with his record and no blose history. Do you really think AM will get even that leeway?
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An historically bad appointment. Nothing he has said in these laughable PR exercises has changed my mind.
Quite amazing how people are prepared to brush over his two relegation's.
I'll be quite happy to be in or near the relegation zone at xmas if it means getting in a proper manager with a vision. Not a 4-4-2 hoofball merchant.
Mcleish plays percentage football, this isn't going to get us where we want to be. Not an opinion but a fact.
Blimey you can see into the future as well (Er..... Something can't be a fact if it hasn't happened). I don't "think" he's the man to get us where we'd like to be, but he is the man whose the manager so I'd like to be proved wrong. I'd also rather put my hand up and be wrong about him than us have a shitty start to the season, it's kinda being a supporter - you know wanting your team to win matches.
But then this is the point isn't it, what the Villa actually do on the pitch is secondary to being "Proved right" for some folks.
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It's all good saying you can't polish a turd, but wasn't he working on a smaller budget which meant he had to rely more on his managerial abilities rather than spending lots of money? He outspent Small Heath's rivals dwelling at the bottom and still got them relegated.
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I'll be quite happy to be in or near the relegation zone at xmas
I've restrained myself, and I will apologise in advance, and I'm happy to accept the admonishment of the moderators and will understand if this gets deleted and I get a warning....
You are a cunt.
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I'll be quite happy to be in or near the relegation zone at xmas if it means getting in a proper manager with a vision. Not a 4-4-2 hoofball merchant.
As a Villa supporter, I hope our new manager does well. I didn't want McLeish but now he's installed I will back him 100% - speaking for myself, I don't want to be anywhere near the relegation zone, I don't want dour defensive football at VP, but McLeish has stated his intent to play good attacking football, surely we should be hoping he delivers....not fail..!!
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If we're not in the top 4 by xmas then he would have failed. He has a much shorter rope than another manager would have and rightly so.
For those feeling sorry for him and licking the ginger pubes from his backside may I remind you he has doubled his salary and on paper should have never been given a chance like this. Many more worthy candidates. That said I don't blame him for taking the gig, he'd have been mad not to. He must have thought all his Christmases had come at once when he go the phonecall from Randy.
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It's all good saying you can't polish a turd, but wasn't he working on a smaller budget which meant he had to rely more on his managerial abilities rather than spending lots of money? He outspent Small Heath's rivals dwelling at the bottom and still got them relegated.
yep, he was hardly on blackpool's budget
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For those feeling sorry for him and licking the ginger pubes from his backside
You seem to have very unusual reproductive organs.
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I'll be quite happy to be in or near the relegation zone at xmas
I've restrained myself, and I will apologise in advance, and I'm happy to accept the admonishment of the moderators and will understand if this gets deleted and I get a warning....
You are a cunt.
A warning? People have been banned for far less.
You're as bad as him, calling him a c**t? Grow up please.
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Do you have pubes in your backside?
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You're as bad as him, calling him a c**t? Grow up please.
No.
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I'll be quite happy to be in or near the relegation zone at xmas
I've restrained myself, and I will apologise in advance, and I'm happy to accept the admonishment of the moderators and will understand if this gets deleted and I get a warning....
You are a cunt.
And you know nothing about football.
I hope this helps.
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I'll be quite happy to be in or near the relegation zone at xmas
I've restrained myself, and I will apologise in advance, and I'm happy to accept the admonishment of the moderators and will understand if this gets deleted and I get a warning....
You are a cunt.
A warning? People have been banned for far less.
You're as bad as him, calling him a c**t? Grow up please.
It was quite funny though...I laughed anyway..
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I'll be quite happy to be in or near the relegation zone at xmas
I've restrained myself, and I will apologise in advance, and I'm happy to accept the admonishment of the moderators and will understand if this gets deleted and I get a warning....
You are a cunt.
And you know nothing about football.
I hope this helps.
And you know nothing about supporting a football team.
Wanting your team to lose to get rid of a manager?
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How has he failed if he is not in the top four by christmas?
You're delusional!
You're definately doing this to get people riled up and respond, so i'm now done and not going to bite anymore.
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I'll be quite happy to be in or near the relegation zone at xmas
I've restrained myself, and I will apologise in advance, and I'm happy to accept the admonishment of the moderators and will understand if this gets deleted and I get a warning....
You are a cunt.
And you know nothing about football.
I hope this helps.
Dave's forgotten more about football than most people (in which I would definitely include your good self) will ever know.
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"If we're not in the top 4 by xmas then he would have failed...."
Says who? When was the last time we were in the top 4 by xmas anyway? More concerned with gradual progress and where will will be in May. But each to thier own, I guess.
Wouldn't have been my choice of Manager but he's here, give him a chance.
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Look at the fixture list, top 4 by xmas should be obtainable if he's got something about him.
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Look at the fixture list, top 4 by xmas should be obtainable if he's got something about him.
I'm starting to suspect you are a nose on a wind up.
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How anyone can say they want us to lose is an even bigger word then a c**t!!!! people like that should go do one and support the knuckle draggers down the road!!! Jesus wept!!! i love this site but people like that makes me think why??? everyone is entitled to their opinion but wishing the team to LOSE well I've heard everything now!!! stuff this for a game of cards I'll put it down to too much alcohol and tiredness....hopefully you'll wake up and get ur head out of ur arse and start supporting our fcuking club!!
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You're as bad as him, calling him a c**t? Grow up please.
No.
Of course calling strangers on the internet abusive words isn't immature.
Wife: "Hi Dave! How was day on the internets today?
Dave: "I lashed out at some troll, but all my e-buddies think it was hilarious"
You're probably got a good relationship with the mods probably being on here for a long time so they will just ignore what you said.
Not exactly fair moderating if it's one rule for certain members and one rule for everyone else...
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I'll be quite happy to be in or near the relegation zone at xmas
I've restrained myself, and I will apologise in advance, and I'm happy to accept the admonishment of the moderators and will understand if this gets deleted and I get a warning....
You are a cunt.
A warning? People have been banned for far less.
You're as bad as him, calling him a c**t? Grow up please.
Come on Dave, please get it right. This troll is surely a bluenose c**t who just can't let go after his beloved Alex has deserted him. ::)
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David Cooper, consider yourself strongly admonished for calling that ****** a ******.
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If we're not in the top 4 by xmas then he would have failed. He has a much shorter rope than another manager would have and rightly so.
For those feeling sorry for him and licking the ginger pubes from his backside may I remind you he has doubled his salary and on paper should have never been given a chance like this. Many more worthy candidates. That said I don't blame him for taking the gig, he'd have been mad not to. He must have thought all his Christmases had come at once when he go the phonecall from Randy.
And if we were (By some miracle) in the top four by Christmas, you'd still want him out. You'd still want him out if he won a trophy next season - be honest, you being right is all that matters isn't it?
P.S. I don't feel sorry for him one bit, he's the manager of the greatest football club in the world - jealous yes, sorry for him no. None of which requires going anywhere near his arse or pubes as it happens.
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Look at the fixture list, top 4 by xmas should be obtainable if he's got something about him.
Classic...what about after xmas then, do the teams get harder then? Or err are they pretty much the same teams to play again by any chance. Gotta be a wind up.
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I'm a nose because I want Mcleish out? Ok!
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I'm a nose because I want Mcleish out? Ok!
I don't think you're a nose.
I find it quite easy to believe that we've fans as misguided and ignorant as you.
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I'm a nose because I want Mcleish out? Ok!
Whatever you are, the one thing that you aren't, is a Villa fan.
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You're as bad as him, calling him a c**t? Grow up please.
No.
Of course calling strangers on the internet abusive words isn't immature.
Wife: "Hi Dave! How was day on the internets today?
Dave: "I lashed out at some troll, but all my e-buddies think it was hilarious"
You're probably got a good relationship with the mods probably being on here for a long time so they will just ignore what you said.
Not exactly fair moderating if it's one rule for certain members and one rule for everyone else...
You're just jealous because all the mods are my bessies.
You are right though, I never leave my bedroom and definitely don't meet any of my 'e-buddies' in real life, that would be really scary.
I haven't got a wife though but I have christened my wank sock Mabel.
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This thread seems to be going downhill thanks to certain members (keyboard warriors dishing out abuse on their parents computer)
Back to the topic at hand. Has Mcleish said anything in this "fan" forum to suggest he is the right man for the job? I think the answer is overwhelmingly NO.
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I'm a nose because I want Mcleish out? Ok!
You could just give him a chance eh? What happens if he confounds everyone's expectations and is good? OR ARE YOU FROM THE FUTURE
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I agree, it is an appointment which stinks of desperation and cluelessness, and u think it will end badly, and quickly.
However, there's nothing I can do about it. He's the Villa manager and I desperately want him to prove me wrong, as that means we will be doing well.
I understood the thinking behind the protests last week, although I think they were a bad idea, and I fully understand why people have lost faith in the board - I have too, sadly - but I can't for the life of me see why anyone would think that, but not desperately want to be proven wrong.
What good does bleating on about McLeish out do now? For all I don't rate him, he seems a decent enough bloke, and I couldn't give a shit about where he used to work, do I'll be expecting the worst but hoping for the best.
Couldn't have put it better myself...so I won't try ...
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This thread seems to be going downhill thanks to certain members (keyboard warriors dishing out abuse on their parents computer)
Back to the topic at hand. Has Mcleish said anything in this "fan" forum to suggest he is the right man for the job? I think the answer is overwhelmingly NO.
You weren't there, so how do you know?
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This thread seems to be going downhill thanks to certain members (keyboard warriors dishing out abuse on their parents computer)
Back to the topic at hand. Has Mcleish said anything in this "fan" forum to suggest he is the right man for the job? I think the answer is overwhelmingly NO.
Sorry but this thread went downhill as soon as you started to blight it with your capitalised rantings against our clubs new manager. Isn't it time that you went back to posting on SHA, KRO or wherever it is that you've escaped from?
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This thread seems to be going downhill thanks to certain members (keyboard warriors dishing out abuse on their parents computer)
My parents are dead you callous bastard.
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McLeishOUT OUT!
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I'll be quite happy to be in or near the relegation zone at xmas
I've restrained myself, and I will apologise in advance, and I'm happy to accept the admonishment of the moderators and will understand if this gets deleted and I get a warning....
You are a cunt.
ha ha. And you thought me calling you a moron was bad!! Have you ever wondered even why when walking innocently down the street everyone you look at wants to punch you? Might just be the vibes you give off as a shit stirrer or general wind up merchant. You know who they are just by looking at them. They don't even have to say anything, people just know. That's you.
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I hope the promise of a 'clean sheet' is AM saying what he should say rather than what he actually believes. As we found out last season, coming out of the summer transfer window short handed is asking for trouble. AM is taking a big risk if he seriously thinks he can get something out of Ireland and Warnock.
Dann is a good defender, but his injury record suggests AM is right to steer clear at the price seemingly quoted. I wouldn't touch anyone else from Small Heath apart from Nathan Redmond. I suspect the price would rule him out, plus McLeish needs to focus on the present rather than the future with whatever kitty is available.
On the downside, I don't buy the statement about Small Heath's quality of football being down to lack of resources. That hasn't stopped other teams - notably Wigan - trying to play decent football.
The last manager to talk about 'high tempo' was O'Leary.
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Don't know if this has been covered, but I'd just like to dispense a large portion of lol at Craig Gardner. Thanks.
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Do you have pubes in your backside?
Depends how long you let them grow I suppose.
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'he raved about the kids'
That really gives me hope for how he is seeing the next season and the future.
Do we know what is happening with the coaching set up?
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I'll be quite happy to be in or near the relegation zone at xmas
I've restrained myself, and I will apologise in advance, and I'm happy to accept the admonishment of the moderators and will understand if this gets deleted and I get a warning....
You are a cunt.
ha ha. And you thought me calling you a moron was bad!! Have you ever wondered even why when walking innocently down the street everyone you look at wants to punch you? Might just be the vibes you give off as a shit stirrer or general wind up merchant. You know who they are just by looking at them. They don't even have to say anything, people just know. That's you.
You sound a very angry individual. Maybe you should stick to Ice Hockey if talking about football gets you this worked up. Judging by you previous posts and obvious lack of football knowledge I think this maybe a good idea all round. :)
Teams that have been top 4 by xmas
Us under MON
Man City under Sven (when they were crap before the arabs)
Hull City in there first season
See, isn't that inconceivable is it?
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the same mystery man that was adamant that moyes was our new manager! i wouldnt believe a word that prat says!!
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Said wants to pair Gabby with Bent thinks Gabby was wasted on the wing and wants to get him back to the level he was at !
Well that would be a major improvement right there.
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I'll be quite happy to be in or near the relegation zone at xmas
I've restrained myself, and I will apologise in advance, and I'm happy to accept the admonishment of the moderators and will understand if this gets deleted and I get a warning....
You are a cunt.
ha ha. And you thought me calling you a moron was bad!! Have you ever wondered even why when walking innocently down the street everyone you look at wants to punch you? Might just be the vibes you give off as a shit stirrer or general wind up merchant. You know who they are just by looking at them. They don't even have to say anything, people just know. That's you.
You sound a very angry individual. Maybe you should stick to Ice Hockey if talking about football gets you this worked up. Judging by you previous posts and obvious lack of football knowledge I think this maybe a good idea all round. :)
Teams that have been top 4 by xmas
Us under MON
Man City under Sven (when they were crap before the arabs)
Hull City in there first season
See, isn't that inconceivable is it?
oh yes, yes, I see what you've done there. You've given me an almighty slap down with a hockey reference because of where I live, and you think I'm Canadian so I have no knowledge of football or soccer I suppose it should be. You can now tell all your mates at school tomorrow how you pwned me or whatever 12 year olds say these days.
Have you noticed how so many people are agreeing with you. When you find yourself in the real world and everyone thinks you're an idiot, it's probably time to think to yourself "hmm, maybe I am an idiot" an consider that you might be taking the wrong approach on a few things in life.
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Said wants to pair Gabby with Bent thinks Gabby was wasted on the wing and wants to get him back to the level he was at !
Well that would be a major improvement right there.
Let's hope so, but I can't see it. I guess he wants gabby pulling wide to support bent. But that would be reverting to 2 out and out fwds neither of whom can really drop off and bring variety to our play. I think bent was an upgrade on gabby, not a partner.
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I think they can play together, a Benyoun type player in the hole would work two with these two up top.
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Ireland at his best would be ideal to feed the strikers with his passing skills- let's hope eck can get him back to his best.
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The capacity some people have for going on and on about whether AM is the right man for the job is astounding. I logged on to read about what he said to the fans group and it all kicks off again. Get a grip lads. Give the man (and us) a break.
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Gabby scored all his goals last year when Bent was on the pitch.
But Bent scores more when he's upfront alone.
I would go 4-3-3.
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Another interesting thread ruined. Thanks.
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McLeishOUT (aka NottingVilla). You were banned for being an idiot last time, and I've banned you again. Please don't bother signing up again.
Dave Cooper - whatever justification you feel you have, please do not abuse people, and do not post to deliberately avoid the word filter, or you'll be joining him.
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Good to see he virtually rules out going back for his old players. A wise move me thinks.
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An historically bad appointment. Nothing he has said in these laughable PR exercises has changed my mind.
Quite amazing how people are prepared to brush over his two relegation's.
I'll be quite happy to be in or near the relegation zone at xmas if it means getting in a proper manager with a vision. Not a 4-4-2 hoofball merchant.
Mcleish plays percentage football, this isn't going to get us where we want to be. Not an opinion but a fact.
You want us to lose. Yup, that's the kind of supporter we need.
Mc Out - Would you like to have had Rednapp as our Manager? I am sure you would (decent signings / plays open and attacking football) yet has at least 3 to my knowledge relegations to his name
The most important and overiding thing to me now that calm and normality has returned is that if nothing else the guy wanted the job. All the others either didnt want it or wanted totally their own rule for their own agendas, not for the good of the club
We do not have to sing his name from the rooftops but the guy deserves a fair crack - if there are folk out there that are prepared to boo him at his first game then i for one would accept lower attendances not to have them people at the ground
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The most important and overiding thing to me now that calm and normality has returned is that if nothing else the guy wanted the job. All the others either didnt want it or wanted totally their own rule for their own agendas, not for the good of the club...
I suspect there were candidates who felt they couldn't make a success of the job with the budget/resources the board were willing to make available.
Still, as DW (and Ferguson) pointed out, McLeish was successful at Rangers without having much money to spend, so maybe he is the best man for the job.
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Some encouraging signs I suppose, but some I'm dubious about. Good that we're not after Green, whom I find too erratic and unreliable, good that he intends to play attacking football (at home anyway). I can see the financial logic of trying to rehabilitate the ostracised players but would prefer to sign better full back than Beye and Warnock.
Less encouraging is that he doesn't mention attacking away from home, so can we expect to be rather dour and defensive on our travels? Really not convinced Gabby and Bent will work as a combination, Gabby will just get in Bent's way. Mentioning Dann is too expensive, when Stoke are in for him, is a bit of a downer. It tells us a lot about the new frugality at VP but I suppose we already knew that.
I didn't want Feck and I'm still pissed off that we ended up with him but I wish him luck because I want Villa to do well.
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McLeishOUT (aka NottingVilla). You were banned for being an idiot last time, and I've banned you again. Please don't bother signing up again.
Dave Cooper - whatever justification you feel you have, please do not abuse people, and do not post to deliberately avoid the word filter, or you'll be joining him.
Point taken, alcohol had been consumed, apologies to anyone I may have offended.
I have got a wank sock called Mabel though, that bit is true.
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Mc Out - Would you like to have had Rednapp as our Manager? I am sure you would (decent signings / plays open and attacking football) yet has at least 3 to my knowledge relegations to his name
It wasn't a choice between McLeish or Redknapp though was it? There were plenty of other candidates out there, a number of whom didn't have any relegations on their CV plus plenty of cups and titles to boot.
I know what you're saying and of course I'll support the team whoever is in charge but I think it's perfectly justified to be critical of the selection process, such as it was, and the eventual appointment.
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I think the uncomfortable fact is that I honestly don't think those Managers you describe wanted to come.
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It wasn't a choice between McLeish or Redknapp though was it? There were plenty of other candidates out there, a number of whom didn't have any relegations on their CV plus plenty of cups and titles to boot.
I know what you're saying and of course I'll support the team whoever is in charge but I think it's perfectly justified to be critical of the selection process, such as it was, and the eventual appointment.
It is perfectly possible to be critical, but that's not the issue. The fool went way beyond being critical, and, justifiably in my opinion, got pelters for it. Anyone that hopes for us to be around the relegation zone, for any reason, deserves everything they get on here.
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We can't play Gabby and Bent, 2 wingers and an attacking centre mid like Ireland, in my opinion. Makoun, Petrov, Delph and Bannan would all be better utilised in a central midfield 3, and are not strong enough for a two, never mind a 1, with 5 attackers in front of them, again imho.
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Ireland just does not work in 4-4-2.
He needs to be played in a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 formation.
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Gabby scored all his goals last year when Bent was on the pitch.
But Bent scores more when he's upfront alone.
I would go 4-3-3.
All the way
Changing to a 4-5-1
I personally think bent and gabby would be a disaster
albrighton-Another-delph-makoun-downing
Bent
I would like to see Delph as the one pushing on
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It is perfectly possible to be critical, but that's not the issue. The fool went way beyond being critical, and, justifiably in my opinion, got pelters for it. Anyone that hopes for us to be around the relegation zone, for any reason, deserves everything they get on here.
Best to ignore the extremes of opinion - those who want us to lose and those who think pessimism is heretical.
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It is perfectly possible to be critical, but that's not the issue. The fool went way beyond being critical, and, justifiably in my opinion, got pelters for it. Anyone that hopes for us to be around the relegation zone, for any reason, deserves everything they get on here.
Best to ignore the extremes of opinion - those who want us to lose and those who think pessimism is heretical.
I'm neither optimistic nor pessimistic about McLeish, I genuinely am open minded and giving him the chance to demonstrate what he can do. I can't see the point of taking any other stance unless it is to set yourself up to be able to say "told ya".
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Best to ignore the extremes of opinion - those who want us to lose and those who think pessimism is heretical.
I can't remember seeing many, or any, posts from people who think that pessimism is heretical (this sounds like a new phrase for "happy clapper", as in a group who are willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the board / new manager. And I'd argue strongly that this isn't an extreme opinion). But I've seen more than enough people on here with views similar to McLeishOUT, and I think that they should be confronted and ridiculed when they come out with their stupidity.
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Best to ignore the extremes of opinion - those who want us to lose and those who think pessimism is heretical.
I can't remember seeing many, or any, posts from people who think that pessimism is heretical (this sounds like a new phrase for "happy clapper", as in a group who are willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the board / new manager. And I'd argue strongly that this isn't an extreme opinion). But I've seen more than enough people on here with views similar to McLeishOUT, and I think that they should be confronted and ridiculed when they come out with their stupidity.
I haven't seen anyone with the same views as McLeishOUT. Well, not since last week when almost everybody appeared to share his view.
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I can't remember seeing many, or any, posts from people who think that pessimism is heretical (this sounds like a new phrase for "happy clapper", as in a group who are willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the board / new manager. And I'd argue strongly that this isn't an extreme opinion). But I've seen more than enough people on here with views similar to McLeishOUT, and I think that they should be confronted and ridiculed when they come out with their stupidity.
I've seen one, perhaps two, people say they want us to lose so to get agitated about it is a bit pointless. I've said that I want us to do well under McLeish but don't think it is likely. And have been given a hard time for it. It gets translated as 'we're doomed to certain failure'. Exactly the same thing happened under O'Neill. Some people just don't like to hear dissenting voices I guess.
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I don't think Alex McLeish will do well, but I hope he does. I don't see any contradiction in that personally.
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I haven't seen anyone with the same views as McLeishOUT. Well, not since last week when almost everybody appeared to share his view.
Oh no we fucking didn't. Again, there's a hell of a difference between people with genuine concerns over the appointment, and him who wants us to be in a relegation scrap by Christmas.
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I don't think Alex McLeish will do well, but I hope he does. I don't see any contradiction in that personally.
Nor me.
Why should we not be optimistic or pessimistic as to what will happen? It's not as if he's arrived here from a different planet (well, I suppose he has, in a way) and nobody had ever heard of him before.
He's got a managerial record to be seen, and people see that and either feel optimistic or pessimistic about the way it'll go. That doesn't mean they're not hoping for the very best, though.
It's like when we signed Harewood. There were plenty of people getting the hump at people moaning it was a shit signing, as if we weren't supposed to have any opinion of him based on his career to that point.
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Ireland at his best would be ideal to feed the strikers with his passing skills- let's hope eck can get him back to his best.
I read an article by a Manchester City fan and from what he was saying this is the only position that Ireland excels in. To me it is worth a go though. Reo Coker (if her returns) protecting the defense, Makoun as a link player, Ireland in the hole and Downing or Albrighton out wide with Gabby and Bent up front.
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Look at the fixture list, top 4 by xmas should be obtainable if he's got something about him.
I'm starting to suspect you are a nose on a wind up.
I suspected that instantly.
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Back to the OP, these fans forums are needed to give AM some breathing space. We will obviuosly lose games at some stage, and he needs all the support he can get, because there will be people on his back immediately.
As others have said talk is cheap actions are what count, so let's wait and see, but i can fully understand the thinking behind these forums, and admire AM for the balls to do them.
I wish him luck, and let's hope he proves all of us wrong, and shows what an inspired genius Randy really is.
It will be an interesting season.
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That's a bit lop sided with only one winger though?
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That's a bit lop sided with only one winger though?
Possibly. I dunno, do you always have to go 2 or none when it comes to wingers?
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the same mystery man that was adamant that moyes was our new manager! i wouldnt believe a word that prat says!!
I was there if you want to believe me.
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the same mystery man that was adamant that moyes was our new manager! i wouldnt believe a word that prat says!!
I was there if you want to believe me.
The same Dave Woodhall that said that Bent was going to si.....oh. OK then.
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I hope he has some money to spend, because we need it.
Saying Dann is too expensive worries me. We can't buy a Championship defender now?? The board are now operating a penny-pinching policy especially as AM isn't guaranteed all of the Young money. We're going backwards selling our best players and bringing in cheaper alternatives. Top-six?....No chance!
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I hope he has some money to spend, because we need it.
Saying Dann is too expensive worries me. We can't buy a Championship defender now?? The board are now operating a penny-pinching policy especially as AM isn't guaranteed all of the Young money. We're going backwards selling our best players and bringing in cheaper alternatives. Top-six?....No chance!
What makes you think he isn't getting the Young money?
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I hope he has some money to spend, because we need it.
Saying Dann is too expensive worries me. We can't buy a Championship defender now?? The board are now operating a penny-pinching policy especially as AM isn't guaranteed all of the Young money. We're going backwards selling our best players and bringing in cheaper alternatives. Top-six?....No chance!
What makes you think he isn't getting the Young money?
AM said this week in the media that he wasn't sure he was getting all of it.
Then in the chat-with-our-leader-The-Fear and some other fans, AM said he wasn't going to say anything to make other clubs we had loads to sped.
Which is fair enough, although there's an element of "cat out of the bag" about it.
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I hope he has some money to spend, because we need it.
Saying Dann is too expensive worries me. We can't buy a Championship defender now?? The board are now operating a penny-pinching policy especially as AM isn't guaranteed all of the Young money. We're going backwards selling our best players and bringing in cheaper alternatives. Top-six?....No chance!
What makes you think he isn't getting the Young money?
AM stated in the B'ham Mail that there is ''no pot of gold'' for transfers and that he's not sure how much of the Young money will be at his disposal. Seems pretty poor to me that he's entering the transfer market (hopefully) and he's not sure how much he's got to spend - doh...great board policy and backing! What is the point of Paul Faulkner??? He and Lerner left AM on his own at the press conference - shit PR
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Don't get me wrong I think Dann is a good player but with the price rumoured to be around £12m,I also think he's too expensive especially in a position where we've got plenty of bodies already at the club.the fact he said he was too expensive doesn't necessarily mean that £12m is too much for one player, it could simply be that it's too much much for that player
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I hope he has some money to spend, because we need it.
Saying Dann is too expensive worries me. We can't buy a Championship defender now?? The board are now operating a penny-pinching policy especially as AM isn't guaranteed all of the Young money. We're going backwards selling our best players and bringing in cheaper alternatives. Top-six?....No chance!
What makes you think he isn't getting the Young money?
AM stated in the B'ham Mail that there is ''no pot of gold'' for transfers and that he's not sure how much of the Young money will be at his disposal. Seems pretty poor to me that he's entering the transfer market (hopefully) and he's not sure how much he's got to spend - doh...great board policy and backing! What is the point of Paul Faulkner??? He and Lerner left AM on his own at the press conference - shit PR
But what you have done here is believe that he said Dann is too expensive, but then ignore what he said about having money and not telling the press about it. Do you not think that having worked with Dann, he thinks that he is just overpriced and that he can get better value elsewhere? The proof will be in the pudding, but IMO Randy will back him like he has all of his managers.
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That's a bit lop sided with only one winger though?
Possibly. I dunno, do you always have to go 2 or none when it comes to wingers?
No not necessarily, but I would have thought Ireland would have to play wideish to give some balance, and drift inside to try and dictate play, rather than play truly in the hole. He would have to prove himself 1st though as I would not play him ahead of Marc or Downing right now.
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I hope he has some money to spend, because we need it.
Saying Dann is too expensive worries me. We can't buy a Championship defender now?? The board are now operating a penny-pinching policy especially as AM isn't guaranteed all of the Young money. We're going backwards selling our best players and bringing in cheaper alternatives. Top-six?....No chance!
What makes you think he isn't getting the Young money?
AM stated in the B'ham Mail that there is ''no pot of gold'' for transfers and that he's not sure how much of the Young money will be at his disposal. Seems pretty poor to me that he's entering the transfer market (hopefully) and he's not sure how much he's got to spend - doh...great board policy and backing! What is the point of Paul Faulkner??? He and Lerner left AM on his own at the press conference - shit PR
He's probably not sure because he doesn't know how much he'll be able to generate from sales. That doesn't mean he hasn't been given a budget. He may have been told: "You'll get X amount. The rest you'll have to generate from sales"
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Saying Dann is too expensive worries me. We can't buy a Championship defender now??
I read somewhere Blues wanted £15m for Dann. Depending on how one interprets any given statement, McLeish may be saying Blues want more money than Dann is worth and there are other, equally good players out there who will cost maybe half the price.
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What is the point of Paul Faulkner??? He and Lerner left AM on his own at the press conference - shit PR
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It's what the manager wanted.
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Ireland at his best would be ideal to feed the strikers with his passing skills- let's hope eck can get him back to his best.
I read an article by a Manchester City fan and from what he was saying this is the only position that Ireland excels in. To me it is worth a go though. Reo Coker (if her returns) protecting the defense, Makoun as a link player, Ireland in the hole and Downing or Albrighton out wide with Gabby and Bent up front.
I can't see Makoun featuring. The new Djemba for me, only a more costly mistake.
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It's what the manager wanted.
But is it also what the owner and CE wanted?
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AM's not stupid, why come out and say I have X amount of money to spend and I'll also have all the Young cash to spend. The price for anyone else we wanted would just go through the roof.
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I hope he has some money to spend, because we need it.
Saying Dann is too expensive worries me. We can't buy a Championship defender now?? The board are now operating a penny-pinching policy especially as AM isn't guaranteed all of the Young money. We're going backwards selling our best players and bringing in cheaper alternatives. Top-six?....No chance!
What makes you think he isn't getting the Young money?
AM stated in the B'ham Mail that there is ''no pot of gold'' for transfers and that he's not sure how much of the Young money will be at his disposal. Seems pretty poor to me that he's entering the transfer market (hopefully) and he's not sure how much he's got to spend - doh...great board policy and backing! What is the point of Paul Faulkner??? He and Lerner left AM on his own at the press conference - shit PR
Probably a better tactical move than saying "I have 49 mil to spend...okay, how much do you want for X??"
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I don't think Alex McLeish will do well, but I hope he does. I don't see any contradiction in that personally.
Nor me.
Why should we not be optimistic or pessimistic as to what will happen? It's not as if he's arrived here from a different planet (well, I suppose he has, in a way) and nobody had ever heard of him before.
He's got a managerial record to be seen, and people see that and either feel optimistic or pessimistic about the way it'll go. That doesn't mean they're not hoping for the very best, though.
It's like when we signed Harewood. There were plenty of people getting the hump at people moaning it was a shit signing, as if we weren't supposed to have any opinion of him based on his career to that point.
Agreed Paulie. I'm not choosing to be pessimistic, it's a gut feeling based on McLeish's record and the apparent toning down of the club's ambitions. I was genuinely excited about the players we were being linked with under GH, because maybe GH had the status to attract them. That excitement has turned to a feeling of "meh" with the more prosaic names being mentioned recently, but I still hope McLeish and the Board prove my instincts wrong.
And we were right about Harewood all along.
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Wasn't overly enamoured with his appointment, but he is starting to grow on me, and he's said some of the right things so far. The true test will be on the pitch come September though, but I have more confidence in him than I did a week ago.
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I'm quite happy to have Mr Woodall be my representative at this summit. I think of him as I would my local MP.
I'd be carefull if i were you,all that boot licking will give you cherry blossom poisoning
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the same mystery man that was adamant that moyes was our new manager! i wouldnt believe a word that prat says!!
I was there if you want to believe me.
oh go on then!
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Cheers for posting. I cant argue with any of that
I remain unhappy. Yet what is done is done. I wish success not failure for him, and therefore Villa.
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I wonder if A-Mac will come to the same conclusion as I have. The players we have dont fit with the system/s we want to play. Most notably are if Ireland plays it has to be in a 4-3-3 with 2 holding players, of which we dont have any height or 'bite' in midfield and Gabby doesnt play. If Gabby plays in a 4-4-2 Downing cant tackle and Albrighton has shown lack of defensive awareness. Therefore playing 2 holding/defensive midfielders ergo sacrificing a creative midfielder i.e Ireland. Hmmm...thoughts?
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That's a bit lop sided with only one winger though?
Possibly. I dunno, do you always have to go 2 or none when it comes to wingers?
Dont even have to have 2 wingers - Ljungberg and Pires? As long as we've got a player who's prepared to play on the left/right side and not think he's just been stuck there to run down the line and deliver crosses. Dont think we really have that player though. Difference between 'foreign' players and British ones, they're more adaptable.
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I wonder if A-Mac will come to the same conclusion as I have. The players we have dont fit with the system/s we want to play. Most notably are if Ireland plays it has to be in a 4-3-3 with 2 holding players, of which we dont have any height or 'bite' in midfield and Gabby doesnt play. If Gabby plays in a 4-4-2 Downing cant tackle and Albrighton has shown lack of defensive awareness. Therefore playing 2 holding/defensive midfielders ergo sacrificing a creative midfielder i.e Ireland. Hmmm...thoughts?
Kind of what I feared. We got very used to overly wing-based, functional and predictable methods of attack under MON - and that was when we had Young, Milner and, for a while, Barry. The top 6 have become better, and that sort of football with players who aren't even as good as the previous will not cut it. The facts are that you cannot play Bent, Gabby, a central attacking midfielder and wingers in the same team and get away with it, we'd be far too open to the counter-attack (not to mention these overlapping full-backs he wants). Therefore I predict what you do there, V-T-M: basically a return to an inferior version of MON-ball. Ah well.
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I hope he has some money to spend, because we need it.
Saying Dann is too expensive worries me. We can't buy a Championship defender now??
You could take it that way.
Or you could take it to mean he's too expensive at the moment.
The longer the summer drags on, I wouldn't bet against SHA having to get more realistic in their valuation. If they value him at £12-15 million then good luck to them, but that price will put off most interested sides. Which is fine if they don't actually want to sell. But they do - and they eventually will.
Arsenal and Liverpool are rumoured to also be interested but they can probably attract far better.
Dann to us -or a club like us- towards the latter end of the window might be more realistic.
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McLeishOUT (aka NottingVilla). You were banned for being an idiot last time, and I've banned you again. Please don't bother signing up again.
Dave Cooper - whatever justification you feel you have, please do not abuse people, and do not post to deliberately avoid the word filter, or you'll be joining him.
Point taken, alcohol had been consumed, apologies to anyone I may have offended.
I have got a wank sock called Mabel though, that bit is true.
i feel you've taken a yellow for the team there Dave, good work, we should rename you Ciaran
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If he wants Foster and Dann I'm sure he's had a word with them and their agents and said don't do anything before you speak to me. If it's Arsenal or Liverpool they will go there but if it's someone like Stoke then AM will get the nod about transfer fee and wages and it's down to whether he wants to or can better it. It seems they want 15 million for Dann and 12 million each for Foster and Johnson. If Peter Pan pulls that off it will be better than single handedly bringing down the triads!
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Might as well have met with 5 nodding churchill dogs.
Can we have a capital 'C' in Churchill please!?
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Might as well have met with 5 nodding churChill dogs.
Can we have a capital 'C' in Churchill please!?
Better?
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Why would people who hate McLeish turn up the games if they're just going to shout abuse at him?
They won't as most will have sent their season tickets back and are 'never going again'.
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IN BLOCK CAPITALS! FACT!!
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Hang on, let me try to understand this.
There are Villa fans on here who actually want Villa to lose most of our games in the early part of the season?
And if we don't lose most of our games and are doing well they won't be happy because that will mean the manager who is in charge of this winning team will stay in charge?
But it's not all about him being an ex-Blues manager right?
But he's shit dave, the gods have spoken already. Have you not heard?
Didn't you know that he got them relegated twice?
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Why would people who hate McLeish turn up the games if they're just going to shout abuse at him?
They won't as most will have sent their season tickets back and are 'never going again'.
and burned their beer stained XXXL tops with Muller on the front. MCLEISH OUT
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McLeish will survive and win us over.
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Cue Gloria Gaynor...
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I hope he has some money to spend, because we need it.
Saying Dann is too expensive worries me. We can't buy a Championship defender now?? The board are now operating a penny-pinching policy especially as AM isn't guaranteed all of the Young money. We're going backwards selling our best players and bringing in cheaper alternatives. Top-six?....No chance!
What makes you think he isn't getting the Young money?
AM stated in the B'ham Mail that there is ''no pot of gold'' for transfers and that he's not sure how much of the Young money will be at his disposal. Seems pretty poor to me that he's entering the transfer market (hopefully) and he's not sure how much he's got to spend - doh...great board policy and backing! What is the point of Paul Faulkner??? He and Lerner left AM on his own at the press conference - shit PR
Yep Faulkner is an inept Garry Cook. He is a hider, doesn't know his responsbility and a terrible communicator. I want him gone - he is IMHO unprofessional and has been a disaster since he joined
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What is the point of Paul Faulkner??? He and Lerner left AM on his own at the press conference - shit PR
It's what the manager wanted.
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Fair enough Dave I responed to the original point without reading all - wading through McLeish Out's drivell after a very long day at work was hard.
However I still stand by Faulkner should be binned. He is an amateur and has handled 2 managerial appointments and 2 managerial exits in an appaling manner and AVFC look (from the outside) like a bunch of idiots, and don't let anyone 'blame' Pat Murphy for our ills. He didn't and would never have hired Houllier
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It's surely better to tell the world you haven't got much to spend rather than have every club up the money they want for a player because they know we are loaded?
Randy has stumped up whatever has been needed so far, I think he'll do so again.
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Might as well have met with 5 nodding churchill dogs.
Can we have a capital 'C' in Churchill please!?
Yes, it's one of the most valued brands of the RBS Group and should be treated as such. The Group needs to maximize the price of Churchill when it is sold, to comply with the directive issued by the EC in late 2009 that it should be sold, along with Direct Line, as part of the 'quid pro quo' for the Government support received by RBS Group in late 2008, and 2009.
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Hang on, let me try to understand this.
There are Villa fans on here who actually want Villa to lose most of our games in the early part of the season?
And if we don't lose most of our games and are doing well they won't be happy because that will mean the manager who is in charge of this winning team will stay in charge?
But it's not all about him being an ex-Blues manager right?
But he's shit dave, the gods have spoken already. Have you not heard?
Didn't you know that he got them relegated twice?
I would prefer to think they were relegated in spite of him!
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stupidity rules
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stupidity rules
It's about time we had some.
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IVE JUST READ THERE WAS ONLY 5 FANS THERE LMAO. 5 "YES" MEN BY THE SOUNDS OF IT.
FOR F**KS SAKE CAN YOU PLEASE BE QUIET.....
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Just imagine how great this will be if Mcleish gets a team playing good football and wins trophy's, a bit of ammo to rub in blue nose faces
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Just imagine how great this will be if Mcleish gets a team playing good football and wins trophy's, a bit of ammo to rub in blue nose faces
Is that when your signature gets changed?
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Remember when Hong Kong Phooey took over at the sty and the press splash was "£40Mil to spend in the Jan window" then they were priced out of every player they went for and we have laughed at them ever since
Randy spent £18 - 24mil on the bentmaster so lets not kid ourselves ifd the right players come up then i am sure he will go for it - has he let us down yet? Has there been a player where we have said "we cannot afford it" I am sure there were many where ridiculous wage demands meant we told them to do one but in reality he has spent well since he has been here
Folk may say "It was the money off Milner for Bent" but i would say it is his club and his money so he could have just trousered the cash and he still would have put millions into the club - have some faith
I would offer the Blues £15mil for both Dann and Foster and if they want more tell the to fuck off