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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: N'ZMAV on April 03, 2011, 08:31:45 AM
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Anyone want Brad not to sign a new contract? maybe a 1 year deal with a new GK coming in as first choice?
Another thing... has Friedel ever saved a Penalty for us? He must have faced about 30. I can't remember him saving one.
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Brad was a great keeper, it is now time for us to sign a replacement 1st choice, coaching would be a good move for him imo.
Andy Marshall has signed up as a senior back up keeper to our youngsters from the reserves & youth team, a new keeper is a must.
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He has been a good consistent keeper but, puts too much pressure on the team by not leaving his line and never coming for crosses.
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He was good but he is shit now too inconsistent Kieron Westwood for me
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i dont think he's shit
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I don't think he's shit either. I wish he could save a bloody penalty though.
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ooh another Friedel thread
Replace him, he's been decent for us but too many costly mistakes this term
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Times up for him and I want a commanding keeper- brad as coach - NO!
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He is crap at Penalties
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He's had his day.
Replacement now needed.
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Brad as coach no way, we want a commanding keeper.
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Time has caught up with him. Still one of the best shot stoppers in the business but no longer commands the box. In my opinion one of the key reasons why we concede so many goals from corners.
I keep hearing rave reviews about Peterborough's Joe Lewis but all their fans I talk to in my part of the world say his only weakness is that he will not come off his line.
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I remember him saving a penalty in a pre season game at Villa Park before he had played a league game for us, Skybet had ran a book on how many pens he would save that season.
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I think a number one is needed but i would love to have big brad on the coaching staff.
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Was thinking about the penalties situation myself last night. As soon as one's given against us I'm in immediate acceptance that its a goal to the opposition, as I can't recall Brad having saved one for us yet (despite him having a decent rep for pen saves when at Blackburn). On the flip side though, when we're awarded one I only give us a 50/50 chance of converting. Could just be the inherent pessimism that comes with being a Villa fan tho.
Sheer laziness on my part I know, but there must be some stats out there to back the penalties ratios up. Anyone know where they might be? Reckon we've got the worst conversion rate in the league.
Back to the main subject of big Brad, I agree that he needs replacing. Pulls of some great saves, but as has been said before doesn't command his area, which puts added pressure on the defence, especially from set pieces.
One final thing. I believe that was the first penalty Everton have been awarded this season. Typical!!
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He needs to go. He wanted locking up for the first goal. He doesn't command his area and I think he was at fault at Bolton too.
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Well considering the shit he has in front of him at times he does ok. He certainly kept us in the game yesterday which is more than can be said for Walker and some others. We do need another keeper but we need a few other signings too, even if we stay up I can't see Walker, Coker, Young, and possibly Petrov, Dunne staying on
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As has been said before, regardless of if we stay up or go, there will be a very busy revolving door over the summer, with virtually a new starting XI needed + a few squad players.
Not easy as I cant see too much money flying around
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Shot stoppers are ten a penny. Every keeper in the Premier League can stop shots. Villa desperately need a keeper who will come and punch, come and claim crosses. We have been terrible at the back this season and I think that Friedel has to take some of the blame. He's been a great servant, made some stunning saves and to be fair, on his line, he remains a good keeper. BUT, we really need someone more commanding, particularly when the central defenders have struggled so much. The keeper can take so much pressure off the back four, Brad doesn't do that.
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He saved a penalty on his debut against Reading in a pre-season friendly. Hasn't saved one since.
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Assuming that we're not going to be spending loads this summer then I'd suggest we offer Brad an extension with added coaching duties. I'd sign Westwood on a free. I'd either sell Guzan or send him on loan for the whole season.
If money isn't a problem then I'd go for Foster. A good solid keeper who is the right age and could be with us for the next ten years.
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Lee Camp or Kasper Schmiecal would be my choices
Both young keepers who would jump at a chance in the premier league (if we stay up)
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Schmeical has improved a lot, but I don't think he'd be ready for us yet. Camp isn't good enough I don't think.
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Schmeical has improved a lot, but I don't think he'd be ready for us yet. Camp isn't good enough I don't think.
I agree with that Paul and I think you can say the same about Westwood ie he is not ready to be a No1 goalie in the Premiership...........I think we should be looking abroad and if we spent £18m on Bent then we need to be looking to spend at least £6/£8m on a top goalie
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For years we've signed top class, but past their best keepers. A replacment for Friedel should be the summer's top priority.
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Ben Foster please.He was outstanding again yesterday
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Way past his best and not just this season either. Has 1 excellent game in 4 or 5 but lets in too many saveable goals for my liking and flaps around far too much on crosses. I honestly don't think we've made any improvement on Sorensen since he left.
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Ben Foster will probably keep Bloose up in the same way Hart did last season so I can't see them letting him go unless it's for sillybucks. Assuming we stay up and Blackburn go down I wouldn't mind Paul Robinson. Good keeper, right age (31 I think) and has a good rapport with Villa fans already
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Paul Robinson is a great shout
Great keeper, good sense of humour
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Paul Robinson is a great shout
Great keeper, good sense of humour
He is a good keeper, can't say as i'm too bothered if he has a sense of humour.
If Blackburn go and we survive, there's no reason why we can't get him.
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I wouldn't give him a new deal tbh.
He's been good for us but he's slow off his line and parrys too many shots back into the penalty area (look at Fulham home as an example of both).
I can't see that improving at 40.
Him not saving penalties is also pissing me off considering he saved loads at Blackburn and two for the US in the 2002 world cup, pretty much dived out of the way of Baines's penalty.
Let him go, keep Guzan as back up and I'd take a chance on Westwood.
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Didn't he save a pen against Blackburn in a 1-1 draw?
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I'd let Brad no where near coaching why get a Keeper with bad habits to coach?
You all know I want want Westwood too!
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Didn't he save a pen against Blackburn in a 1-1 draw?
That was Carson.
Friedel was playing for Blackburn that day.
Even more annoyingly, he's one of the few keepers who saved a Barry penalty when we won at Ewood a few seasons ago.
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He's been a sound buy for us and a top pro, but probably time to move on now - and we need to be thinking bigger than Westwood as his replacement.
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He's been a sound buy for us and a top pro, but probably time to move on now - and we need to be thinking bigger than Westwood as his replacement.
John Burridge?
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For years we've signed top class, but past their best keepers. A replacment for Friedel should be the summer's top priority
yep the most important player in any team, if the GK aint right then, you have a problem.
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Paul Robinson is a good keeper.
However, given the choice, I'd go for Ben Foster.
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Robbo's improved at Blackburn but we didn't want him when he left Spurs so why now?
He's not a top 4 'keeper, and ultimately that's the aim so I'd go with someone else.
Foster's got everything in his locker but has said himself he's not got the mentality to do it at the highest level. I'd take him though. He's the best realistic option in the league, IMO.
While we're there either of Johnson or Dann would do. Dann's a classy player and a very good age, good on the ball. But so is Clark so maybe we need a marshall next to him who can go and head it. Which is Johnson all over.
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Foster looks like a real top keeper and still young and will improve, He will keep Blose up this season.
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He's 28. Young for a 'keeper but he's the same age as Pepe Reina for example.
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He's 28. Young for a 'keeper but he's the same age as Pepe Reina for example.
Time catches up with you, he looks young to me
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Paul Robinson is a good keeper.
However, given the choice, I'd go for Ben Foster.
Guzan swap with Foster would be logical
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Paul Robinson is a good keeper.
However, given the choice, I'd go for Ben Foster.
Guzan swap with Foster would be logical
oh yeh done deal
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Foster would be a great signing. I'm not sure about Paul Robinson, I don't think he's the keeper for us.
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I think Friedel is past his sell by date - trouble is they are all shot stoppers now, not goalkeepers. Need someone who can command the area, the only one I can see is Manuel Neuer at Schalke, ain't way he's coming to us though.
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I keep hearing rave reviews about Peterborough's Joe Lewis but all their fans I talk to in my part of the world say his only weakness is that he will not come off his line.
That's about right. Peterborough drew 3-3 with Bournemouth on Friday night; my best mate's a Posh regular and watched the game (on Sky) and said Lewis was badly at fault for two of the goals. He's been saying the same things about him for the last three years - he's a tall bloke but is weak at coming for crosses, off his line, etc.
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From Sky:
"We are in talks over a new contract, Brad is very happy at Villa," his agent Tony McGill confirmed to skysports.com.
"If Brad was not happy, he would not be talking over a new contract.
"I have spoken with chief executive Paul Faulkner and talks are going very well indeed."
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Mistake, in my opinion.
Unless they're bringing somebody in who he will mentor.
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If we were to sign a new first team keeper and Big Brad stayed on as 2nd choice, that would be a very good result, IMO.
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Can't be No.1 choice next season. An extra one-year deal with coaching input - fine. Ideal, in fact. But we need a new first choice 'keeper*
* If we're in the Championship, Guzan could do that job.
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Looks like it may well be happening
http://http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc/2011/04/04/brad-friedel-lines-up-new-villa-deal/
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We cannot keep him as number 1 surely?!
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If Friedel is our number 1 next season then we expect to struggle again. Ditto if GH is manager.
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FFS how is this oap getting a new deal ??
Madness
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I think we should see what division we are in before giving him a new contract or let him know he isn't guaranteed to be no.1
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If he's offered a new deal he'll be number one I imagine. Strikes me as a top professional who wants to play as much as possible so he's probably been given assurances as to remaining number one. A mistake I fear, we need better.
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He can stay as back up to no 1 and help out coaching goalkeepers. But I don't want him as first choice no 1 this season.
5 clean sheet in 38 games this season and one clean sheet in 2011 is unacceptable. I don't care how hard he work or train. The facts speaks for this.
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Don't like the sound of this really.
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When he signed the deal I'm sure it was announced that it was a 3 year deal with an option of coaching afterwards. Maybe the negotiation is involving that.
In an ideal world I'd replace him, but maybe Houllier has looked at it and thought he doesn't want to change every area, and considering the defence and midfield is due an overhaul he wants to keep someone who knows the club around.
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He can stay as back up to no 1 and help out coaching goalkeepers. But I don't want him as first choice no 1 this season.
5 clean sheet in 38 games this season and one clean sheet in 2011 is unacceptable. I don't care how hard he work or train. The facts speaks for this.
I think you will find a massive percentage of those goals leaked were defensive errors and Friedel has saved many embarrasing scorelines ....
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I'm afraid it's pretty obvious that if he gets a new deal it'll be as the number one. Which is why it's imperative we don't offer anything (playing-wise) until the end of the season. If we go down, his wages will be prohibitive. If we stay up, it's unlikely Houllier will be his manager and as such not fair on whoever comes in after to lumber him with a costly and unsuitable first-choice keeper. I'm fond of Big Brad but if the management think he's the best we can do they must be collectively insane.
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I do not understand why we are offering him a new contract. It concerns me to be honest.
If its as a coach or 3rd choice, fine. For one year or something.
He's been a fine keeper and this season just about adequate but enough is enough now.
He's no longer agile enough and has rarely been commanding enough to be a #1 at Villa and we should look at one or two keepers in the summer, depending on what's happening with Guzan..
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I can see the reasoning behind giving him a new contract. He's not as good as he once was I know that but, he's still better than Marshall and Guzan. Giving him another year will at least leave us with an adequate keeper should we not get that very good keeper in the summer. It's a contingency plan before we have the real plan in place
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This is why I get very concerned with GH in charge. Just when you think he's starting to get his act together, he does something bizzare like this. We need a new keeper, it should be a priority.
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So, has he ever saved us a penalty? I can't remember one.
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I can see the reasoning behind giving him a new contract. He's not as good as he once was I know that but, he's still better than Marshall and Guzan. Giving him another year will at least leave us with an adequate keeper should we not get that very good keeper in the summer. It's a contingency plan before we have the real plan in place
Agree with that and if we do bring in a young keeper who better to show him the ropes?
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I think that if we have a budget of say £30m to spend next summer, I'd rather keep Friedel & spend that on a class midfielder & a new centre back to play with Cuellar or Clark.
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So, has he ever saved us a penalty? I can't remember one.
Not for us in a league or cup game.
He doesnt even dive, just falls over when they have a shot.
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He dives away from the ball, see the Baines pen, very poor
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He dives away from the ball, see the Baines pen, very poor
That used to be called 'guessing'!
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He dives away from the ball, see the Baines pen, very poor
That used to be called 'guessing'!
It looked like Peter Shilton in the 1990 world cup semi shoot out.
Basically just falling over from one side to the other with not enough speed to get anywhere near the ball.
He's served us well, but it's time to move on, UNLESS we're getting a promising up and coming keeper in like Westwood.
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Spent force.
We should be looking at keepers like Shay Given.
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Spent force.
We should be looking at keepers like Shay Given.
Too injury prone now, and hardly a spring chicken.
If we are to stay on these shores Paul Robinson would be my choice.
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30 millions is plenty of money. Just sell about 7 players and get 20 millions for the whole lot and that is 50 millions pounds say we buy 2 X 10 millions pounds players and 5 X 6 millions pounds players and odd one or two on free. That should be fine.
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If we are to stay on these shores Paul Robinson would be my choice.
Was thinking this the other day. 31 now I think so coming into his prime as a keeper and in good form this season!
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Annoys me that Friedel is getting a priority contract yet no news on where we are with signing up the likes of Clark & Gardner up long term
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Three months ago both Clark and Gardner signed until 2014.
How much longer do you want us to sign them for?
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Bad move in my opinion, If he is first choice I will be really pissed off
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Spent force.
We should be looking at keepers like Shay Given.
If people moan about Friedel not coming off his line, just watch Given! Exactly the same IMO, bot good shot stoppers but neither command their area.
Too injury prone now, and hardly a spring chicken.
If we are to stay on these shores Paul Robinson would be my choice.
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Three months ago both Clark and Gardner signed until 2014.
How much longer do you want us to sign them for?
Great, I hadn't realised that
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Another vote for Robbo especially if Blackburn go down. Maybe Foster if Blues go down.
If we are going for younger I'd look at Mignolet or Begovic.
Those are just the ones that I can think of who are based in the UK. If we are prepared to look further afield then there are plenty of goalies who can come in.
Keep Friedel as a second choice. If he doesn't want that bring in someone like Westwood.
As for Friedel I keep thinking people are just picking fault. He has done pretty well for us and some of his 'errors' have been dubious ones. Any goal keeper would suffer from having our defence in front of him and his good performances far outnumber the bad. That is not to say that we cannot improve up on him it is just that some of the criticism is over the top. We very rarely have had a top class goalkeeper and very few are around. If we sign someone like Westwood and Given and it doesn't work out we will probably be moaning that he isn't as good as Friedel like we are doing with this romanticised form of Sorensen now. I must admit that I never really thought Sorensen wasn't all that bad though.
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Given Big Brad's economic situation I'd suggest that it is a good time to negotiate a deal. I think a combination of him and Westwood fighting it out for the No1 spot would be good for us. Send Little Brad on loan for a season as a contingency plan.
Brad also set up that academy in the states so it'd suggest he sees himself as a coach at some point and therefore could have been preparing himself for a coaching role. The new contract could also include coaching duties.
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As for Friedel I keep thinking people are just picking fault. He has done pretty well for us and some of his 'errors' have been dubious ones. Any goal keeper would suffer from having our defence in front of him and his good performances far outnumber the bad. That is not to say that we cannot improve up on him it is just that some of the criticism is over the top. We very rarely have had a top class goalkeeper and very few are around. If we sign someone like Westwood and Given and it doesn't work out we will probably be moaning that he isn't as good as Friedel like we are doing with this romanticised form of Sorensen now. I must admit that I never really thought Sorensen wasn't all that bad though.
I'm with you on this. The form of the defence has been terrible and what hasn't helped Brad is we have not had a very consistent line up this season. I don't think any keeper in the world would have gone through a season like we have had without a few errors. Like you said though maybe it's time to improve on him now for next season if we can.
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He dives away from the ball, see the Baines pen, very poor
That used to be called 'guessing'!
It looked like Peter Shilton in the 1990 world cup semi shoot out.
That rang a bell with me, sadly. Remember in the 3rd/4th place play off when he dropped the ball and had no fecking idea where Roberto Baggio was and conceded a penalty? That's how it is with keepers: first the reflexes and then the awareness, and then the judgement. Friedel knows that he's come to the end of the road, surely?
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Cant believe people haven't twigged this.
Lets face it, Friedal is well well good enough to be a No.2 keeper and can challenge for No1 still definately - so signing him up I have no issue with.
Why now - I'll tell you why
Because the club are making an absolute 1 million decibel noise saying how the whole club, players, management, board, fans and cleaners have all got to come together and fight for the cause.
What was in the press last week - a player walk out was planned, with Freidal being the instigator. This proves to one and all that media rumour was absolute bullshit - and we are united.
Thats why now.
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Given Big Brad's economic situation I'd suggest that it is a good time to negotiate a deal. I think a combination of him and Westwood fighting it out for the No1 spot would be good for us. Send Little Brad on loan for a season as a contingency plan.
Brad also set up that academy in the states so it'd suggest he sees himself as a coach at some point and therefore could have been preparing himself for a coaching role. The new contract could also include coaching duties.
NO, why should we hold up Friedels pension fund ?
Its time he went, his bad investments are his issue not ours
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NO, why should we hold up Friedels pension fund ?
Its time he went, his bad investments are his issue not ours
What's life like on your planet, wiki?
Agree with Bentman
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If Brad is not doing his business for his academy correctly, Randy should sort it out with supplying relevant people who know their stuff and Brad can work with players and Aston Villa to own the Academy with link to Colombus Crew as well and keep it under control so Brad had his future settled.
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How is it the defence's fault that he has never saved a pen for us? I agree that the back 4 have been pretty dire this season and that makes it tougher for Brad but I still think he has to take a chunk of the blame. I really like the guy, he speaks well, he is intelligent and he is a true professional. However, he is past his best and at this level that just isn't good enough. Sorry Brad but please hang up your gloves and make way for a better, younger 'keeper.
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I do not understand why we are offering him a new contract. It concerns me to be honest.
If its as a coach or 3rd choice, fine. For one year or something.
He's been a fine keeper and this season just about adequate but enough is enough now.
He's no longer agile enough and has rarely been commanding enough to be a #1 at Villa and we should look at one or two keepers in the summer, depending on what's happening with Guzan..
My thoughts exactly