Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: KevinGage on April 02, 2011, 02:15:02 AM
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so say The Sun (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3505077/Top-Aston-Villa-star-blames-Gary-McAllister-for-demise.htm), who are quoting a 'well known international.'
GARY McALLISTER is the real cause of the crisis engulfing Aston Villa - according to one of the club's top stars.
The well-known international claimed it is coach McAllister and NOT boss Gerard Houllier who is responsible for the conflict.
And the star fears the Midlands giants face relegation and a summer exodus unless the Frenchman gets a grip on his No 2.
The Villa ace insisted: "It is McAllister more than Houllier to blame for most of the trouble.
"The manager tends to stay in the background, leaving a lot of the day-to-day stuff with the players to McAllister. So he's calling the shots a lot - and he's the one who's upset a lot of the players with his attitude.
"There's a load of petty new rules and it's really bad, really counter-productive.
"And if Houllier wants to save his job, he needs to sort McAllister out - and quick - before it's too late for him and for us.
"The mood's very strained and if we're not careful it could end up very badly. It's unbelievable we're talking about relegation and if it happens, a lot of the top players, me included, will want out."
Kind of bears out what Mark Kelly was saying about GH not wanting to be involved in the day to day business, closer to a DOF rather than a manager.
Lousy timing though, just what we didn't need going into a crucial game. Which I suppose is the idea.
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Utter bollocks. Why even give it the time of day?
Negativity should be banned today.
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Yes, strange - that 'negativity should be barred' when all the stuff coming from the club and the interviews,tweets and comments elsewhere from all the players are all positive. And with a really good interview with Gary Mc on the BBC yesterday. (posted)
What negativity?
This is how some little oik fills his column
a total news w*****.
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or .as I prefer to call him, a complete t
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Almost like they have waited until saturday to post this, I smell a conspiracy.
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Actually, Left Side, I smell 'let's wind the villa up.'
But we are surfing on the waves of negativity...
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Not a good smell whatever it is!
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agree ( wafts of whatever really turns your stomach - or if you've ever turned the pigs out)
it's about the level of that.
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Utter guff
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How can we actually find out if McAllister is the problem or not. He might be right but the player doesn't like it.
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Todays Sun also has a topless model on page 3, adorned with toffees and Everton scarf strategically placed.
Our busty beauty Kelly Moyes from Formby enjoys volunteering at her local pet rescue centre and also wants to save the Brazilian rainforest. The Sun says "phworrrrr darlin', good job our reporter lent to you his scarf or we could see if your Brazilian!"
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Todays Sun also has a topless model on page 3, adorned with toffees and Everton scarf strategically placed.
Our busty beauty Kelly Moyes from Formby enjoys volunteering at her local pet rescue centre and also wants to save the Brazilian rainforest. The Sun says "phworrrrr darlin', good job our reporter lent to you his scarf or we could see if your Brazilian!"
I can assure you that girls from Formby aren`t like that :)
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The fact that McAllister wasn't Houllier's first choice, coupled with his rather indifferent record as both a manager and a coach, would make it rather surprising if it was just the one player pointing an accusing finger in his direction.
And to think, a year ago people were questioning what exactly John Robertson and Steve Walford did.
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"It's unbelievable we're talking about relegation and if it happens, a lot of the top players, me included, will want out."
'Top players' who have managed to play so poorly that we are in this mess? I do hope that this is an attempt to wind fans up and that nobody actually said this.
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source (sôrs, srs)
n.
1. The point at which something springs into being or from which it derives or is obtained.
2. The point of origin, such as a spring, of a stream or river. See Synonyms at origin.
3. One that causes, creates, or initiates; a maker.
4. One, such as a person or document, that supplies information: A reporter is only as reliable as his or her sources.
I particularly like point 4.
This 'story' is utter bollocks. Next....
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Every time there is a story of this kind we have everybody dissmissing it as "bollocks", where in reality there tends to be an element of truth, albeit given huge spin by the paper in question.
We saw it with the (first) row involving Dunne. "It's bollocks" was the cry until the club admitted there had been an "exchange of views".
Something is seriously wrong off the field at the Villa and most of the media will be falling over each other the find out exactly what it is.
I'd like to know as well.
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I think Gary Mac is a problem, much more so than the Hou monster, and I think that come the summer and survival, then there will be another assistant brought in by Hou if he is staying about. No smoke and all that with this one, he seems to be at the centre of a lot of issues.
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Something is seriously wrong off the field at the Villa...
A Sun reader believes what he reads in The Sun.
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Gary mac's managerial record is a shocker, so for Gerrard to leave it to him is a bit perturbing to say the least. Would Houllier even chop him for next season? I seem to recall him bleeting on several years ago about Gary being one of the best professionals he'd ever worked with during his Liverpool days.
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Every time there is a story of this kind we have everybody dissmissing it as "bollocks", where in reality there tends to be an element of truth, albeit given huge spin by the paper in question.
We saw it with the (first) row involving Dunne. "It's bollocks" was the cry until the club admitted there had been an "exchange of views".
Something is seriously wrong off the field at the Villa and most of the media will be falling over each other the find out exactly what it is.
I'd like to know as well.
It's not about dismissing it, of course there are issues within the club, the problem is that it's selective journalism. There will always be differences of opinion within any group of people but the media are experts at highlighting it and making it 10 times more than it is, that's how they sell newspapers. At the same time, I'm sure there are many positives floating around the dressing room but this isn't news worthy so it goes unnoticed. We are not the only club having a bad season but we are the biggest club in danger and so we have to expect this sensationalist tripe. Take it as a compliment that we are being scrutinised this way, if we were not a huge club then we wouldn't be. Don't buy into the bollocks you read in the press, get behind the boys, as I'm sure you will.
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Is it media propaganda against us or is there a dark force overing over Villa park.
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Richard Dunne really shouldn't be talking to the media like that
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F in hacks had to go and dig something else just as peace was braeking out at VP.
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This sort of shit can end up being a self fulfilling prophecy if were not careful. Some two bob hack makes up a bullshit story based on a throw away comment from a disgruntled player, it goes around the message boards, into the stands and onto the pitch. Hypothesising that the story has any credibility only serves to achieve the goals of our detractors.
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Something is seriously wrong off the field at the Villa...
A Sun reader believes what he reads in The Sun.
He probably does, but I tend to base my conclusions on what I see and reliable sources such as the club itself.
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Every time there is a story of this kind we have everybody dissmissing it as "bollocks", where in reality there tends to be an element of truth, albeit given huge spin by the paper in question.
We saw it with the (first) row involving Dunne. "It's bollocks" was the cry until the club admitted there had been an "exchange of views".
Something is seriously wrong off the field at the Villa and most of the media will be falling over each other the find out exactly what it is.
I'd like to know as well.
It's not about dismissing it, of course there are issues within the club, the problem is that it's selective journalism. There will always be differences of opinion within any group of people but the media are experts at highlighting it and making it 10 times more than it is, that's how they sell newspapers. At the same time, I'm sure there are many positives floating around the dressing room but this isn't news worthy so it goes unnoticed. We are not the only club having a bad season but we are the biggest club in danger and so we have to expect this sensationalist tripe. Take it as a compliment that we are being scrutinised this way, if we were not a huge club then we wouldn't be. Don't buy into the bollocks you read in the press, get behind the boys, as I'm sure you will.
It's true that the press are licking their lips at the prospect of our demise and it's just this sort of thing that should galvanise the players and management into a siege mentality, a one for all and fuck the rest attitude that will produce positive results.
It should have happened against Wolves but fell flat. I hope we get the performance indicated by the management this week during various interviews, at Goodison Park but forgive me if I have my doubts.
Of course if I were at the match (or even watching in the pub) I would shout myself stupid in support of the team, as I sure everyone who is spending money to watch will. It's those being paid to take part who need to show some positivity on the pitch.
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Every time there is a story of this kind we have everybody dissmissing it as "bollocks", where in reality there tends to be an element of truth, albeit given huge spin by the paper in question.
We saw it with the (first) row involving Dunne. "It's bollocks" was the cry until the club admitted there had been an "exchange of views".
Something is seriously wrong off the field at the Villa and most of the media will be falling over each other the find out exactly what it is.
I'd like to know as well.
It's not about dismissing it, of course there are issues within the club, the problem is that it's selective journalism. There will always be differences of opinion within any group of people but the media are experts at highlighting it and making it 10 times more than it is, that's how they sell newspapers. At the same time, I'm sure there are many positives floating around the dressing room but this isn't news worthy so it goes unnoticed. We are not the only club having a bad season but we are the biggest club in danger and so we have to expect this sensationalist tripe. Take it as a compliment that we are being scrutinised this way, if we were not a huge club then we wouldn't be. Don't buy into the bollocks you read in the press, get behind the boys, as I'm sure you will.
It's true that the press are licking their lips at the prospect of our demise and it's just this sort of thing that should galvanise the players and management into a siege mentality, a one for all and fuck the rest attitude that will produce positive results.
It should have happened against Wolves but fell flat. I hope we get the performance indicated by the management this week during various interviews, at Goodison Park but forgive me if I have my doubts.
Of course if I were at the match (or even watching in the pub) I would shout myself stupid in support of the team, as I sure everyone who is spending money to watch will. It's those being paid to take part who need to show some positivity on the pitch.
To be honest Nev, the players put an awful lot of effort and showed huge amounts of positivity at Bolton, it just wasn't our day. Clearly the sense of misfortune that the players would have felt from that game followed on to the Wolves game, where we were bloody awful, but I believe the players we have will put in the required effort from now til May. The question is though, will it be enough? We need a bit of luck to compliment our endeavours and up to now we've had very, very little.
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Something is seriously wrong off the field at the Villa...
A Sun reader believes what he reads in The Sun.
He probably does, but I tend to base my conclusions on what I see and reliable sources such as the club itself.
I don't remember anyone from the club saying that something is "seriously wrong" at the club? What did you see that makes you believe that?
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Read the quotes and then try to imagine one of the players saying them and it doesn't ring true. Which suggests to me is that a story has been spun out of a bit of not very much which is why it unattributed.
On a positive note I see elsewhere that Downing has said that he expects to stay.
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On a positive note.
Amen.
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Not read the article and have no intention to- let's ignore all the shit in the press and get behind the team- all this shit can be discussed when the season ends - as for now it's all up for grabs , let's unite together and get out of the mess we are in!
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Something is seriously wrong off the field at the Villa...
A Sun reader believes what he reads in The Sun.
He probably does, but I tend to base my conclusions on what I see and reliable sources such as the club itself.
I don't remember anyone from the club saying that something is "seriously wrong" at the club? What did you see that makes you believe that?
No, I said there is something seriously wrong off the field at the club. I came to that conclusion after witnessing the events of the last six months, and indeed the results.
I dearly hope I, and the tabloid hacks and rumour mongers are totally wrong and that there is a general spirit of togetherness and harmony amongst the management and squad, if so we should see this reflected on the pitch and everything wil be tickety-boo.
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I think Gary Mac is a problem, much more so than the Hou monster, and I think that come the summer and survival, then there will be another assistant brought in by Hou if he is staying about. No smoke and all that with this one, he seems to be at the centre of a lot of issues.
I agree Ozz and I've long suspected Gary Mac to be the problem behind the conflict this season. It's almost impossible to prove but the fact is he was a former manager who's stepped down to be an Assistant Manager. My guess is he is far too serious and strict with the players, rather than being the link between the players and the manager. I imagine being such a top professional, he doesn't do 'Gary Mac Lite', joking, having fun at Bodymoor Heath. Players have a limited attention span and need to enjoy training, it can't just be work, work, work.
I guess we'll only find out the truth when players leave Villa Park and start talking openly to the press.
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Something is seriously wrong off the field at the Villa...
A Sun reader believes what he reads in The Sun.
He probably does, but I tend to base my conclusions on what I see and reliable sources such as the club itself.
I don't remember anyone from the club saying that something is "seriously wrong" at the club? What did you see that makes you believe that?
No, I said there is something seriously wrong off the field at the club. I came to that conclusion after witnessing the events of the last six months, and indeed the results.
I dearly hope I, and the tabloid hacks and rumour mongers are totally wrong and that there is a general spirit of togetherness and harmony amongst the management and squad, if so we should see this reflected on the pitch and everything wil be tickety-boo.
I don't believe that we have any less "togetherness and harmony" than is to be expected given our circumstances. I haven't seen a great deal of that from Chelsea this season either and they are in the top 4. We'll be OK, have faith!
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There's fall-outs with the manager or staff at all clubs regularly. The problem we have is certain players launch into a stream of expletives everytime the manager or coaching staff are mentioned to them. If they do that to people they don't even know that well then its not surprising this is getting back to the media. They're gits basically, but their card is well and truly marked and it will be bye-bye this summer whatever happens on the pitch.
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There's fall-outs with the manager or staff at all clubs regularly. The problem we have is certain players launch into a stream of expletives everytime the manager or coaching staff are mentioned to them. If they do that to people they don't even know that well then its not surprising this is getting back to the media. They're gits basically, but their card is well and truly marked and it will be bye-bye this summer whatever happens on the pitch.
I believe that Randy and co will make the right decisions for the club in the summer regardless of what happens between now and then. If that means keeping Houllier then it means that the board have assessed the situation thoroughly and decided that in their professional opinion he is the right man. Randy is no mug and will decide what's best for Aston Villa at the end of the season but right now we all need to get behind Houllier and support the team. "Houllier out" banners do not help in any way, despite what we may think of him.
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Can't disagree with that, and if RL wants to boot GH out this summer than thats his perogative. but these stories appearing before every game isn't helping, and imo its deliberate. It tally's in with comments my source has attributed to certain players, and they really need to be kicked out the club as soon as possible.
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Very interesting - but not as interesting as the fact the 'story' has disappeared from the Sun's website?
Oh - now it has returned. Something happening in background?
Mmmm?
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Un-named player? I'll ignore this one.
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Not sure about his coaching, allthough the evidence thus far suggests he's out of his depth, but he's got the personality of an empty crisp packet.
If our insufferable manager isn't given the boot, then I at least hope he gets a more competent assistant.
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Personally I preferred to read the views of a named player in an interview with Henry Winter (sorry, can't do flashy short links)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/8422321/Robert-Pires-defends-Gerard-Houllier-and-promises-that-Aston-Villa-will-not-be-relegated.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/8422321/Robert-Pires-defends-Gerard-Houllier-and-promises-that-Aston-Villa-will-not-be-relegated.html)
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It seems some rags are desperate for us to end up relegated. Thing is with the top of the table so boring with Manu strolling to their 19th title, seeing us in trouble probably shifts a few more units.
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Uncle Bob comes across well in that interview.
I'm glad he is trying to mentor and help the players. He has the right spirit.
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Don't know if it's been mentioned but there was an interview with Stewart Downing on Radio 5 this morning. Can't remember exactly what he said, but he was generally positive [shock horror] and said something about living in the city and being aware of what fans think.
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he's got the personality of an empty crisp packet.
Sadly, he's not that charismatic.
But the whole 'unnamed' source thing - as old as the hills when spouting bullshit - but Mr Beasley does have a past with hating anything and everything that has any connection with Liverpool. Maybe the cheeky chaps mugged him in Stanley Park and robbed his kecks? And maybe they were brand new and quite posh.
DeKuip excellent article - thanks for the link. Every fan should read that - it just makes sense.