Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: dazzyg on December 29, 2010, 02:04:04 PM
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Gary McAllister must be one of the worst Assistant's we have ever had what does he actually do?
Houllier recruited him from Middlesbrough who were also in trouble when he left. The role of the assistant is to bridge the gap between mgr and player but all he seems to do is jump out the dugout now and then speak to the players then jump back into his seat. We need leaders don at Villa Park not quiet
meek and mild people. For christ sake Randy do something postive now before it gets much worse.
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You should re-post this on the scapegoat post. He's the worse one we've had since things were going tits up last season and people blamed Robertson.
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Well done. This man is actually my instinctive problem. Nothing positive in his cv. And nothing from the players to suggest he is doing a proper job. We could insist on his going and find support for the cheese eater without a public outcry or too much compensation. Half measure I know but something is very wrong in this role at Villa.
Something tells me it is him that is the issue.
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Total failure at Coventry Leeds and boro as both a coach and manager- awful appointment!
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Hardly a great Villa memory thread
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Totally agree with this post.Mcallister has no track record of success whatsoever.Leeds,Coventry and Boro has been said before.Queiroz is available as one name and his contacts and "another language" speaker for negotiations in transfers would be very useful.Anyone else got an idea for a number 2?
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Some people can be very good, even great coaches, but not able to hack it as a manager. Brian Kidd is a good contemporary example.
However, McAllister had failed as both a manager and as a coach, so why, other than being able to reminisce about their great days at Anfield on long coach journeys, Houllier appointed him is beyond me.
Another example of why you shouldn't appoint as manager someone who has been six years out of the loop.
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Moved as requested.
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Let hope Gerald is monitoring his work and be ready to look for alternative no 2. I would though John Gregory is a possible suggestion if he is willing to come back home.
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Never go back.
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John gregory no way- phil Thompson was the man who took the flak at anfield and was the bad cop while houllier was the good cop- Gary mac is clearly not the kind of man we need in the role - maybe Sammy lee ?
Thompson by accounts had told sky he was leaving to work at villa and then changed his mind , that may have seen things pan out much better for us but gary mac is a failure not just here but every job he has coached!
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We don't want pinnochio or Sam Lee this is villa not the BinDippers FC!!
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Yes and the best person to work in that role is someone whose worked successfully in it with houllier before- as was john ward with graham Taylor , and alan Evans with brian little , and robbo with mon!
They do not have to be villa men , just comfortable in the role !
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To run with a point that Paulie made on the Houllier topic, presumably a thread on how Cowans must be a rubbish first-team coach is now imminent?
If McAllister is being blamed, why shouldn't Cowans get just as much stick?
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Because Sid is given no control in the set up as it is
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* Runs for cover *
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I think the difference is cowans has a proven and successful track record as a coach whereas Gary mac has an extremely poor record at each club he was coach and manager of.
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Because Sid is given no control in the set up as it is
Is he not first-team coach?
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He's not good enough his CV shows failure after failure in a management/coaching role, a sentimental old pals act reunion. A big mistake
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Because Sid is given no control in the set up as it is
Is he not first-team coach?
Perhaps on paper, yes
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Because Sid is given no control in the set up as it is
Is he not first-team coach?
Perhaps on paper, yes
Oh goody, a conspiracy theory.
Let's hear it then.
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Gary mac could not have been appointed on his coaching record , so he was just appointed on his playing record under houllier at Liverpool- that was a big mistake !
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There was a post on VT sometime ago that affirmed our shit defence is down to McAllister, with Leeds/Cov citied as examples.
Either way, get rid.
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We have 4 ex midfielders on the coaching staff, no ex defender or ex striker and that shows in our play.
At least o neill had a defensive coach and an attacking coach of sorts , if houllier had got either of his two 1st choices then I think we would be much better off- but I really don't see what Gary mac does to warrant his position.
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both Houllier and Mac sit on the bench like they are waiting for a fucking bus. Its embarassing, the whole thing is a shambles
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Because Sid is given no control in the set up as it is
And what are you basing that on?
The fact it suits your argument?
He's our first team coach. What do you think he does? Stand on the sidelines playing Angry Birds?
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Re: Gerard Houllier
« Reply #268 on: December 28, 2010, 04:35:45 PM »Quote Not sure if it's houllier, more like it's McAllister. A Coventry fan told me he completely F"*^ed up cov by his tactics and he would do the same to us. Good player but no coach or Assistant manager.
Posted on the Houllier thread
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Can't be done with this anti McAllister stuff.
It's Houllier who's Manager, and out of the two - it sure isn't Mac's fault we're in this mess.
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what does our manager do?
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Its difficult to judge how good an assistant manager is unless we are at Bodymoor IMHO. That said something with the whole managerial team must be drastically wrong at the moment.
I would have Gregory back in an instant as a coach/Assistant but I m sure his ego would not now let him revert to an assitant role again.
And anyway he sold his personal plate so would nt consider it anyway :)
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Blaming Mcalister is stupid, GH is the manger he picks his staff, if there is a problem with coaching and team leadership it is the managers fault, if it is a problem with the manager it is Randy and Faulkners fault.
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I think a lot of our defensive problems are down to him. A Leeds fan I know said when he got the job at Leeds their defence turned to shit pretty much overnight, lots of stupid goals especially from set pieces, corners.
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houllier to blame for employing him , but his record is appalling at cov , leeds and boro!
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Not that I want this but Gregory won't come back now he has sold his V1LLA number plate!
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From the little concrete information we have, we know that GH sits down with GMac, Sid and the fitness and goalkeeping chaps in the morning, giving them instructions as to what he wants them to do. That came from an interview with GH, if anybody wants to look it up.
Now, maybe Dave or somebody else can tell me how it is Sid's problem? As Smudger Smith will testify, I'm a great believer in coaching but for me, this is just another example that GH's success at Liverpool was down in part to Patrice Berges. Assistant Managers and Steve Harrison springs to mind, don't have to be the best coaches n the world, just as long as they keep the lads happy. Harrison was famous for it and his joking about with the players. They loved him. Gary Mac, as great a player as he was, seems to have taken on a different role and if we are to believe Dunne's outburst, it hasn't gone down too well with the lads.
Saying that, there's nothing like a win to get everybody back singing from the same hymn sheet. Look at West Ham, crap as they may be, they haven't stopped fighting for the team since we stuffed them on the first game of the season. Everybody was prepared to write them off but they're still in with a shout of staying up, despite their dreadful start, providing they keep fighting.
My concern is we're not even fighting and whether you're top or bottom in this league, you'll get no where without fighting for the full 90 minutes, which can only lead me to believe, something is wrong at Bodymoor Heath. The problem may lie with Gary Mac but it's up to GH to solve it.
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I would give Houghton or even Wilkins a call .. at least they know what they are doing...
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I think people have confused sentiment with evidence. Yes, we revere Sid and he was one of the most naturally gifted players it's been our privilege to have at the club, but if he's not cutting the mustard as a first team coach then that's different. Sid the player and Sid the man can still be loved, but that's no reason to keep him in the position if we need new ideas.
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I think people have confused sentiment with evidence. Yes, we revere Sid and he was one of the most naturally gifted players it's been our privilege to have at the club, but if he's not cutting the mustard as a first team coach then that's different. Sid the player and Sid the man can still be loved, but that's no reason to keep him in the position if we need new ideas.
But that is down to the manager, he is the leader, its up to him to lead
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both Houllier and Mac sit on the bench like they are waiting for a fucking bus. Its embarassing, the whole thing is a shambles
Indeed, I was only thinking watching them yesterday that they were doing the best impression of 'still life' since O'Dreary graced the dugout.
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I think people have confused sentiment with evidence. Yes, we revere Sid and he was one of the most naturally gifted players it's been our privilege to have at the club, but if he's not cutting the mustard as a first team coach then that's different. Sid the player and Sid the man can still be loved, but that's no reason to keep him in the position if we need new ideas.
But that is down to the manager, he is the leader, its up to him to lead
I agree, but that wasn't my point. What I meant was that just like when the team wins or loses, in turn the coaching staff must bear responsibility. We can't 'absolve' Sid because he's a Villa hero and the others aren't.
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I think people have confused sentiment with evidence. Yes, we revere Sid and he was one of the most naturally gifted players it's been our privilege to have at the club, but if he's not cutting the mustard as a first team coach then that's different. Sid the player and Sid the man can still be loved, but that's no reason to keep him in the position if we need new ideas.
But that is down to the manager, he is the leader, its up to him to lead
I agree, but that wasn't my point. What I meant was that just like when the team wins or loses, in turn the coaching staff must bear responsibility. We can't 'absolve' Sid because he's a Villa hero and the others aren't.
Agree but the buck stops with the manager,it is his responsibility
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Thats why Houllier is paid the £3m+ p a
the buck stops here
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Thats why Houllier is paid the £3m+ p a
the buck stops here
And we're now into the third page of discussing the assistant manager.
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Just found this,defending is mentioned heavily in this article.
http://www.leedsguide.co.uk/review/leeds-united/some-disastorous-results-for-gary-mcallisters-side/9685
Mcallister is accountable he gets paid very well to coach Aston Villa's first team.
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http://www.leedsguide.co.uk/review/leeds-united/some-disastorous-results-for-gary-mcallisters-side/9685
Read the above then,Mcallister sacked on the 22nd of December 2008.
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Just found this,defending is mentioned heavily in this article.
http://www.leedsguide.co.uk/review/leeds-united/some-disastorous-results-for-gary-mcallisters-side/9685
Mcallister is accountable he gets paid very well to coach Aston Villa's first team.
And to say it again, so it Cowans.
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One of the few things we know about Gary McAllister is that he was Houllier's fourth choice assistant. It was a difficult time to find a new manager, and it was a difficult time to find an assistant manager.
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Ok then was Dunne's rant at all of the coaching staff?
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both Houllier and Mac sit on the bench like they are waiting for a fucking bus. Its embarassing, the whole thing is a shambles
It really irritates me to see so little passion from them and that rabbit caught in the headlights look they both manage to sport. Makes me yearn fro the days of MON getting all hot and bothered on the touchline.
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Martin O'Neill jumped about like he had an electric probe up his ass, but never once in 4 years tactically changed the game! So sitting/ standing etc, just don't buy it. I would say though, that Bergues and Thompson were big cogs of the success at Liverpool, and I get the feeling Gary Mac is not in the same league. Thompson would not let us away with defending like we are, and IMO the club should try and get him is as a coach ASAP to join the first team squad, if only for 4 days a week and on weekends he can stay with sky. The back 4 needs sorting, and he made Liverpool mean at the back.
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Ozzjim makes a very good point. Bringing in a coach to sort the defence could be the difference between survival and relegation. It could be our most cost effective option. Millions of pounds + wages on new players or give Thompson whatever he wants to come in and get the best out of the existing defence?
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Ozzjim makes a very good point. Bringing in a coach to sort the defence could be the difference between survival and relegation. It could be our most cost effective option. Millions of pounds + wages on new players or give Thompson whatever he wants to come in and get the best out of the existing defence?
I think we offeresd more than Sky. It was just Thompson wanted to spend more time with his family than doing the job would allow. Fair play to him.
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As assistant yes. GH could play his card as a coach on the same money, while also asking him to help in his hour of need.
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As assistant yes. GH could play his card as a coach on the same money, while also asking him to help in his hour of need.
Maybe. I quite like Houllier but one thing I do not get is he has been with the FFF and seems to meet every coach on these FIFA technical courses. Surely he could get in a decent defensive coach.
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both Houllier and Mac sit on the bench like they are waiting for a fucking bus. Its embarassing, the whole thing is a shambles
Indeed, I was only thinking watching them yesterday that they were doing the best impression of 'still life' since O'Dreary graced the dugout.
Perhaps I am too much 'old school' but I believe managers and coach should stay in the dugout and not prowl the technical area. It reminds me of Sunday morning football where intimidation starts on the touchline.
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I don't think there is a right way or a wrong way. Different managers have different styles and have to do what they feel is right. Maybe the Houllier-Thompson combination was better than the Houllier-McAllister combination: the former duo consisting of a deep thinker analyzing how the match is progressing and a more simple-minded "doer" shouting instructions at the players.
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how long before someone blames the Gypsy Curse I wonder.
Pathetic
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SAF is normally sitting, he tends to get up when there's an issue, and he normally gets a fairly instant response from his players
Mancini was out in his technical area barking orders even at 4 up.
GH & GM sat there motionless which is strange